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  • #16
    I bought a GT8 from a friend earlier this year. I took several months before I grew accustomed to it and figured it out, but now I tend to play through it more than my pedals. I don't like the tone as much as my pedals, but the convenience is great, you can get good sounds out of it with a little work, and the variety sure is fun to have. I also like being able to practice at low volumes or with headphones, which I can't do w/ my amps. I have not gigged with it, but I definitely would if I needed a wide range of tone.

    I picked up a "How to use your GT8" 2 DVD set from ebay for about $25 and it was really helpful. It definitely helped me get a better sound out of it. If you go the pedalboard route, you might want to check out the equivalent for the Vox or GT10. I didn't like the GT8 nearly as much until the DVD walked me through a few of the things I didn't understand from the manual. Actually, you might want to save some cash by getting a GT8 from ebay instead of a new GT10.

    Personally, I wouldn't get rid of your pedals. As something extra that's fun to play with and convenient, it's great; but the variety of tone (imho) doesn't replace the quality of a good amp and quality pedals.
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    • #17


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      • #18
        I've had the gt 10 for a couple of weeks and i love it. I don't use amps i use the gt 10 for all my sounds. If you want to try and replicate the sounds of your pedals you will be dissapointed however if you treat it as a pedal in it's own right you will find some wonderfull sounds. I will never go back to using amps and pedalboards my sound is a multi effects unit and i love it.

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        • #19
          I currently working on a review of the GT10 for the December www.FrugalGuitarist.com and as a preview I'm pretty impressed. As it has a programable loop, you can use the 4 cable method to place all the dirt boxes before your amps preamp and all the modulation and time based effects post. The amount of control you have over effects is just sick. Well it sound the same as your pedals? Probably not exactly, but it will sound good.

          Looking at your pedals, only the EHX modulation pedals might be tough to exactly emulate. On the flip side, it can do so much more than your current board.

          EDIT - The GT10 is one of the only FX processors currently available which provides a fully configuarable FX chain and the ability to use multiple modulation effects at one time.
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          • #20

            I have been looking at another replacement for my GT-6, which is the TC Electronic Nova System Guitar Multi Effects Pedal.


            I think the Nova System is a total failure, because TC omitted an important feature: the ability to run effects both in the loop and in the front. This is why you have to make a choice and it'll render some of the effects useless.

            I highly recommend the Line6 M13 instead. It has tons of fx (i'd say too much actually), it's as easy to use as a bunch of stomp boxes, you can set which of the 4 possible simultaneous effects are used in the loop and which into the amp input and it doesn't suck tone. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of the distortions or compressors in it but they are certainly highly usable, just feel that you could get better tones out of .

            I used to have a GT-6 and found it was a tweaker hell. I've always hated user interfaces that require you to browse thru menus.
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            • #21
              GT-10 all the way, i was in the exact same boat as you, i had a pedalboard that had about 3 grand worth of stuff on it, so it was a big deal for me to move from that to a mfx unit (which i swore i would never go to).

              The GT-10 has really blown me away play live, whethere its going direct into a nice p.a. at church or playing out live with two tube amps running stereo. i think it sounds light years above my pedalboard simply for the fact you can match levels all at once and set a master bpm. I chose the boss because of their reputation, i've never known of a piece of Boss gear to fail, ever.

              i am however getting a seperate drive/s again, to my ears nothing can match an analog drive, same as a tube amp.
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              • #22
                Never tried the boss, but never been a real fan of any boss effects. I do have a boss br-8, which I love, but always hated the built-in emulation and effects - I'm sure they've improved since then, but...

                I use my tonelab le extensively. The only other pedal I gig with is a tubescreamer, not because the one emulated in the tonelab isn't good (it's actually great), but because VOX put the dirt pedals and the wah on the same bank (dumb, dumb, dumb), so to get dirt and a wah, you need either a separate ts or wah. There is an effects insert on the tonelab though, so you can add additional effects to the chain (like the tubescreamer).

                Anyway, I really like the tonelab, the effects sound great, not overdone at all, lots of delays and modulation effects to choose from - it's an awesome pedal (and simple to use).
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                • #23
                  I used a Tonelab SE for a year or so. While it sounded really good, I found its severe restrictions on what effects you can have on at the same time to be really limiting. I'd avoid it just for that reason.

                  If all you want is effects and not amp modeling, the Line 6 M-13 is the one to beat. Nothing else really comes close for power, ease of use and flexibility. Sounds good too.

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                  • #24
                    why not the line 6 x3 live or the digitech rp or gnx?
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                    • #25
                      I think the Nova System is a total failure, because TC omitted an important feature: the ability to run effects both in the loop and in the front. This is why you have to make a choice and it'll render some of the effects useless.

                      I highly recommend the Line6 M13 instead. It has tons of fx (i'd say too much actually), it's as easy to use as a bunch of stomp boxes, you can set which of the 4 possible simultaneous effects are used in the loop and which into the amp input and it doesn't suck tone. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of the distortions or compressors in it but they are certainly highly usable, just feel that you could get better tones out of .

                      I used to have a GT-6 and found it was a tweaker hell. I've always hated user interfaces that require you to browse thru menus.



                      I sort of agree, but I understand why they did it the way they did. Their distortion and overdrive channels are killer analog and are separate and before the digital effects section. When you plug into the drive channel you are basically using this unit as a pre-amp with the effects following. Or you can plug into the other input and use only the digital effects bypassing the pre-amp distoriton section. It can be set to arrange effects in serial, parallel, or semi-parallel which gives one many tone options. IMO the serial/parallel option pretty much addresses performance advanatages of using some effects in front and others through the loop. When in parallel mode the use one effect has no effect on the others, which I think is cool.

                      I've used this unit in every configuration and it sounds great regardless. Just put it in front and use the serial/parallel option to arrange the pedals and everything works just fine IMO. It works great in a clean or distortion channel. If you have an effects loop plug your guitar into the drive input of this processor and the output to the return input of your amp bypassing the pre-amp section of your amp for a totally different sound. You might be surprised at just how good the preamp section of this processor is.

                      Every effect on this unit is excellent. Nothing cheezy. The analog distortion is as good as the best pedals I've heard or used rivaling some really good amplifiers distortion. Turn the distortion off for a nice articulate and warm clean tone. Nothing harsh from this unit. Outstanding compressor, EQ, delay, reverb, chorus, etc. with a mulitude of adjustment capabilites for each.

                      I've owned the Boss ME-50, my friend owns GT-10. We compared them side by side and it wasn't close. The boss has the modeling and the Nova doesn't so if that's important the Nova won't work for you. I also wouldn't use it to feed a PA like you can do with the modeling types as this was not intended for that puprose. This is a multi-effects unit; period!

                      IMO if you goal is to replace numerous effects with a single multi-effects unit the Nova System is the best available. Unfortunately, my son likes mine so much that he's been puppy dogging me to death so I'm letting him have it for Christmas.

                      In closing I'll add that my favorite effects pedals are almost always analog and the effects of the Nova are digital. I don't consider them better then the best analog pedals (some of them might be, the chorus and delays are pretty darned good), but I think they will fair well when compared to the best digital has to offer. T.C. Electronics seems to do it as well as anyone.
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                      • #26
                        Had the GT10 sold it recently and have a Tonelab LE on the way.. I think it's just a matter of preference and what sounds great to your own ears.

                        Each unit had its strengths and weaknesses.

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                        • #27
                          GT-10 all the way, i was in the exact same boat as you, i had a pedalboard that had about 3 grand worth of stuff on it, so it was a big deal for me to move from that to a mfx unit (which i swore i would never go to).

                          The GT-10 has really blown me away play live, whethere its going direct into a nice p.a. at church or playing out live with two tube amps running stereo. i think it sounds light years above my pedalboard simply for the fact you can match levels all at once and set a master bpm. I chose the boss because of their reputation, i've never known of a piece of Boss gear to fail, ever.

                          i am however getting a seperate drive/s again, to my ears nothing can match an analog drive, same as a tube amp.


                          I have a GT10 and I just love it.



                          I play it into one of these


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                          and they all sound great, but mostly by dialing back all of the amp's native effects and letting the Boss do the talking. It hsa an insanely large number of patches (sound models) and you can make your own exotic tone with a few tweaks. It's entirely possible that there are better pedals or processors in one specific area or another, but I seriously doubt there's anything as good across the board in a single package. And it's not even all that expensive. What's not to like
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                          • #28
                            I've owned my share of multi-effects pedals: the Tonelab SE was the best until the Tonelab LE came along.
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                            • #29
                              that's one thing that makes the PodX3live so cool...the computer interface for programming. I think the Line6's effects are so much better than the other companies...if you're just wanting effects, think about it...
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                              • #30
                                I like the Tonelab. It is certainly more limited as far as what effects you have in what order, and which effects can be combined with which other effects. The GT10 seems tops in that regard. A friend of mine has the GT8 and there are lots of decent tones in there. I've only noodled with a GT10 and certainly wouldn't say I've experienced it, but once you tweak around with the Tonelab, there are just scads and scads of organic, realistic, usable tones in there.

                                I'd like to think their next step forward will focus more on having more control over which effects can be used together and such.

                                I think they are both outstanding overall though. I'd try to check them out personally if at all possible. The Tonelab is probably more approachable to someone less technically inclined, but anyone should be able to dial in decent tones on either box.
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