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  • A guitar design you hate, but everyone else loves

    For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat. Now, before the pitch forks and torches come into your hands, allow me to explain. While I personally hate the strat, there are some great ones out there, and some great players of them. But for me, it was designed flawed.

    Ok,  3 pickups, good... 3 knobs... Oh, ok, interesting... 1 master volume,  Good.  2 tone.... ok... tone for the neck, good. tone for the middle... really? Why? is there a strat player out there, who actually uses the middle pickup by itself? AND the tone for it? Then, uhh, wait, no tone for the bridge? Why not? Do people want their bridge pickup to sound bright and peircing, with no way to adjust it?

    The three way switch. It took Fender over 20 years to realize that there may be a few people out there, who want to use more than one pickup at a time. But what about the neck and bridge combo? Surely that deserves to be heard?

    Then there's the bridge. Play a chord. Use the trem, play the same chord again. No, not quite the same chord, is it? I know there have been upgrades, and it isn't as bad as it was, (unless you have a floyd, but then you don't have a strat anymore do you? You have a strat with a floyd.) but the entire concept was flawed from the get go.

    There, I feel better now....

     

     

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    badpenguin wrote:

    For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat.


    You aren't the only one.

    I used to not like them until I heard Richard Thompson.

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    • #3

      I don't think everyone loves it, but I hate the design of the Strat ...

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        Last edited by Chordite; 07-11-2014, 06:39 AM.
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        • Dr. Scottie C
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          For me.... lots of choices on sucky design.

          Explorer, SG, Flying Junk, Telecaster...... while all worthy contenders of the suxx ass title.....for me:

          The Les Paul will always remain surpreme on the Why the Eff does people buy this list:

          1) 90 degree knife edge digs in to ribs, waist, or pecker.... no such thing as a "comfort" position with it.

          2) Weighs the same as a average 4th grader....and is not necessary......sorry guys....have to agree with prison bottoms like Ed Roman & Grove on this one.... a 12lbs mahogany body has zero to do with getting a humbucker sound.

          3) God bless Lester Paul who died at 94 years old....and this guitar looks like it was played by a 94 yr old..... normally, I sway towards timeless classics when it comes to about anything.....but the LesPaul guitar looks like it could have been used as a weapon to beat dinosaur ass with...... ancient looking.

          4) Neck is too flat...frets too small.

          5) Access to higher frets suck.

          6) Strings are too far from the body.

          7) Angled headstocks suck....make the guitar more brittle....make the strings harder to bend.

           

           


        • Chordite
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        • *BLEEP*
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          Chordite wrote:

          The  Flying 'V'

          Flying V

          It is just glam rock gross 

          I think a set neck  strat is darn near the perfect guitar


           

          I realise the V is not for everyone, but its actually a nicely balanced and friendly geetar as long as you're standing.  

          However, the Explorer is worse than a V.  It's a rather unfrindly shape for standing or sitting and its excessively heavy due to all the "wasted wood" that comprises that zigzag body shape.  

           

           

           

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      • #5
        It's not too difficult to rewire a Strat to have tone 1 on the middle and tone 2 on the bridge (my preferred setup) or some other combinations. But yeah, I agree that the original design is a bit flawed in that regard.

        I'm not really a fan of Rickenbackers, apparently. I like the sound, but I hated the neck on the 660 I played. I don't know if "everyone else loves" them though.
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        • Bucksstudent
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          kayd_mon wrote:
          It's not too difficult to rewire a Strat to have tone 1 on the middle and tone 2 on the bridge (my preferred setup) or some other combinations. But yeah, I agree that the original design is a bit flawed in that regard.

          I'm not really a fan of Rickenbackers, apparently. I like the sound, but I hated the neck on the 660 I played. I don't know if "everyone else loves" them though.

          The 660 has a different neck than the 620, 330, and 360 models.


      • #6

        badpenguin wrote:

        For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat. Now, before the pitch forks and torches come into your hands, allow me to explain. While I personally hate the strat, there are some great ones out there, and some great players of them. But for me, it was designed flawed.

        Ok,  3 pickups, good... 3 knobs... Oh, ok, interesting... 1 master volume,  Good.  2 tone.... ok... tone for the neck, good. tone for the middle... really? Why? is there a strat player out there, who actually uses the middle pickup by itself? AND the tone for it? Then, uhh, wait, no tone for the bridge? Why not? Do people want their bridge pickup to sound bright and peircing, with no way to adjust it?

        There, I feel better now....

         Yeah, me.  I play on the middle alone about 70-80% of the time...can't stand the sound of the neck pup on a strat.  There was a thread around here a month or two ago, and there were quite a few folks out there who use the middle by itself. 

        The controls on mine aren't what you indicate, either.  Mine has the neck on one tone control, the other does middle and bridge, and that's how it came stock.  I think about rewiring it sometimes for tone 1 doing neck and middle, tone 2 for the bridge, but frankly I'm too lazy.

         For me, it's the SG.  Same problematic neck joint as an LP, prone to neck dive, and I really don't get along with the neck carve.

         



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        • MDLMUSIC
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          For me, it's the Les Paul. Love the sound, but it's just too darn heavy.

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        badpenguin wrote:

        For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat. Now, before the pitch forks and torches come into your hands, allow me to explain. While I personally hate the strat, there are some great ones out there, and some great players of them. But for me, it was designed flawed.

        Ok,  3 pickups, good... 3 knobs... Oh, ok, interesting... 1 master volume,  Good.  2 tone.... ok... tone for the neck, good. tone for the middle... Really? Why? is there a strat player out there, who actually uses the middle pickup by itself? AND the tone for it? Then, uhh, wait, no tone for the bridge? Why not? Do people want their bridge pickup to sound bright and peircing, with no way to adjust it?

        The three way switch. It took Fender over 20 years to realize that there may be a few people out there, who want to use more than one pickup at a time. But what about the neck and bridge combo? Surely that deserves to be heard?

        Then there's the bridge. Play a chord. Use the trem, play the same chord again. No, not quite the same chord, is it? I know there have been upgrades, and it isn't as bad as it was, (unless you have a floyd, but then you don't have a strat anymore do you? You have a strat with a floyd.) but the entire concept was flawed from the get go.

        There, I feel better now....

         

         


        I'm sorry, I get you don't like strats but they are the perfect modding platform.  You can do anything with the switches, volume, tones you want.  It sounds to me like you have a really limited scope of what a strat can do.

        Neck and bridge combo, simple to do.

        You don't like strats because you don't know how to hook up the bridge to a tone knob?  Please.

        My strats can stay in tune for days and I use the whammy.

        If you have a soldering iron, try using it, not hard to change things.

        MIA Fender Strat / Gibson Les Paul Studio / Custom Telecaster / Washburn WI64 / Martin D15S / Guild D55
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        • Bucksstudent
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          Oh yeah, I think you've convinced him.

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        badpenguin wrote:

        For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat. Now, before the pitch forks and torches come into your hands, allow me to explain. While I personally hate the strat, there are some great ones out there, and some great players of them. But for me, it was designed flawed.

        Ok,  3 pickups, good... 3 knobs... Oh, ok, interesting... 1 master volume,  Good.  2 tone.... ok... tone for the neck, good. tone for the middle... really? Why? is there a strat player out there, who actually uses the middle pickup by itself? AND the tone for it? Then, uhh, wait, no tone for the bridge? Why not? Do people want their bridge pickup to sound bright and peircing, with no way to adjust it?

        The three way switch. It took Fender over 20 years to realize that there may be a few people out there, who want to use more than one pickup at a time. But what about the neck and bridge combo? Surely that deserves to be heard?

        Then there's the bridge. Play a chord. Use the trem, play the same chord again. No, not quite the same chord, is it? I know there have been upgrades, and it isn't as bad as it was, (unless you have a floyd, but then you don't have a strat anymore do you? You have a strat with a floyd.) but the entire concept was flawed from the get go.

        There, I feel better now....

         

         


        I'm with you. I HATE the place they put the volume knob on a strat. Too close to the strings. Easy to hit with your hand strumming. I'm not a fan of "string trees" either. I also hate maple fretboards. How they look when they age. Not a fan of a single coil at the bridge either.

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        • #9

          In terms of looks, I dislike anything pointier than an Explorer. That includes Flying V's and a lot of Dean and B.C. Rich guitars. Also hate the looks of guitars without headstocks. I used to hate the Firebird shape, but it's kind of grown on me.

          Also, I like the sound of a strat in someone else's hands, but they never feel good to me, sonically or physically. Not sure why, but that body shape just feels big and clumsy to me.

          I REALLY hate the feel of Rickenbackers, though; Pencil-thin necks with no taper to them, oversized bodies, plasticky finishes, yecch! I owned a 1989 330 for about 18 hours once, and sold it as soon as I could. Not my cup o' tea.

          Edit: Also, lacquer on the fretboard. It feels sticky and unnatural to me and I HATE it!

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          • #10

            Lp Sg.

            Besides being a guitar player,
            I'm a big fan of the guitar.
            I love that damn instrument.
            -Steve Vai

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            • #11

              Telecasters.  The look good and play nice, but I just can't stand the way they sound, no matter what I do to them. 

              I'm Brian of Nazareth

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              • onelife
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                Knutsaq wrote:

                Telecasters.  The look good and play nice, but I just can't stand the way they sound, no matter what I do to them. 


                I put Kinman pickups and a modern bridge in mine for a widely increased tone palette.  

                I'm confident you would like the some of the sounds that are currently available in the guitar.


            • #12

              badpenguin wrote:
              Then there's the bridge. Play a chord. Use the trem, play the same chord again. No, not quite the same chord, is it?

              ha ha ,nicely put. i stopped using my trem and screwed it down and stuffed some wood in there to stop it moving. i only have two knobs on mine ,i took the one off nearest the pickup cause i tend to bang it .

                        so i have one volume for all pickups and one tone for  all . i say all ,what i mean is i disconected the middle pickup and i have the remaining pickups  wired so that i can have neck and bridge together i can also  put them out of phase a  jimmy page or tele type sound....ish

               

               


               

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              • grape
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                There's something about all the classic designs I don't like.  I hate the string pull behind the nut on Les Paul and SG guitars, you can never keep them in tune because of that angle.  I hate the 4 knob control system, it's annoying.  I only need one volume knob on my guitar if any.  I hate tone knobs altogether and never use them, but every classic design has tone knobs.  Les Paul necks are ok, there's a variety and one of them will fit me, but the upper fret access is **** and I don't like the 24.75 scale that much.  Plus the set neck means you basically throw the thing in the trash when your head stock inevitably breaks.

                Telecasters have several obvious problems in the original design.  3 saddles, so **** intonation right there.  No body contours, the thing is uncomfortable.  Strats fix the saddle and countour problem, and then add in the tremelo issues and misplaced volume knob and get rid of my favorite tele sound: bridge & neck.  I hate tremelos.  Plus single coils make 60-cycle hum.  That's a big flaw, even though classic strat sounds are really nice.

                So, a guitar that would make me happy has these features:  probably a bolt on with 2 pickups, hum cancelling in all positions, one volume knob placed off where you can't knock it on accident, strings that pull straight back behind the nut.  Top loading bridge with intonated saddles.  Deep cutaways on top and bottom bout for decent access.  The PRS McCarty fit most of those requirements, but I hate the bird inlays.  I also dislike flame maple, I prefer solid finishes.


                So I'll probably never be happy until I buy something custom.

                 


            • #13
              My Strat, btw, has neck and bridge tone, and I do in fact use the middle pickup soloed, nice blend of meat and twang.

              As far as designs I hate, prolly the Rick. Just can't get past the looks.
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              • #14

                badpenguin wrote:

                For me, it's simple. I HATE the fender Strat. Now, before the pitch forks and torches come into your hands, allow me to explain. While I personally hate the strat, there are some great ones out there, and some great players of them. But for me, it was designed flawed.


                No pitchforks or torches but please allow me to help you understand some of the design ideas behind the instrument.


                badpenguin wrote:

                Ok,  3 pickups, good... 3 knobs... Oh, ok, interesting... 1 master volumeGood.  2 tone.... ok... tone for the neck, good. tone for the middle... really? Why? is there a strat player out there, who actually uses the middle pickup by itself? AND the tone for it? Then, uhh, wait, no tone for the bridge? Why not? Do people want their bridge pickup to sound bright and peircing, with no way to adjust it?


                You have to look at the nearly sixty year old Stratocaster in context. It is the younger brother of the Telecaster (some tele players call it the younger sister) and it was meant as an upgrade.

                Do you play a tele?

                The tone control on the tele is very effective and can have an effect on the volume of the guitar. The tele has only one tone control and, with modern tele wiring, is always active. The "improvement" for the strat was to have "preset" tone controls for two of the pickups and leave the bridge (lead) pickup wide open for lead. The idea was to turn the tone down on whichever pickup was going to be used for rhythm. If you chose the middle for rhythm the "new and exciting" stratocaster gave you the option of switching to either the bridge or neck for solos.

                At the time, only a few people were involved in deciding how a strat was going to be configured but after millions of players used it like a beta test, more ideas were born

                On my strats I use a "super switch" which allows me to configure each of the five positions any way I want. I set it up so one tone control works on the positions one and five and the other tone control is for positions two, three and four. There are no positions where both tone controls are engaged at the same time. I decided on this configuration twenty years after I bought my first strat.


                badpenguin wrote:

                The three way switch. It took Fender over 20 years to realize that there may be a few people out there, who want to use more than one pickup at a time. But what about the neck and bridge combo? Surely that deserves to be heard?


                Yes the guitar was not designed to use more than one pickup at a time. In other words, the "quack" was not a product of the design but a sound that the strat came up with all by itself. Because of the nature of the blade switch that happened to be used in the original production of the guitar, several players stumbled on and popularized the in between sound we all know and love

                The super switch allows me to configure my guitars with the middle position switching on the bridge and neck pickups. I can also get all three pickups on at once by jamming the switch in between positions three and four or positions two and three. Again, it took me twenty years to figure this out. Leo probably went from original design concept to full production in one or two years.


                badpenguin wrote:

                Then there's the bridge. Play a chord. Use the trem, play the same chord again. No, not quite the same chord, is it? I know there have been upgrades, and it isn't as bad as it was, (unless you have a floyd, but then you don't have a strat anymore do you? You have a strat with a floyd.) but the entire concept was flawed from the get go.


                The original strat trem can be setup to maintain tuning stability and there are many places online where you can get detailed instructions on how to do it. Paul Reed Smith's upgrade to the strat trem is basically locking tuners and a graphite nut. He was able to identify the problem areas and do something about it.

                After spending a lot of time with strats, I like the original trem. It allows me to set it up so that pulling up all the way raises the fist string by a semi-tone, the second by a full tone, the third by a tone and a half and the forth by a full tone. This is significant because if I play a standard D chord and pull all the way up it gives me a different inversion of the C chord. I have been able to use this in musical context quite effectively.


                 badpenguin wrote:

                There, I feel better now....


                 I'm glad I was able to help



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                • #15
                  Non reverse firebird. Not a fan of the shape

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