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  • Guitar tone mojo or reality??

    So I've been researching new pickups for my strat. So of course every thread and review was about blues etc. Even though I play a strat I don't play that kind of stuff. Strat was the guitar I learned to play on so it has the right feel for me.

    Anyway so while I was looking I saw all these nerds arguing and going nuts over John Mayer's The Black One strat and his sound. So today I watched the below videos with Mayer explaining the sanding and tweaking until they found the right sound for him. So it got me wondering how much of it is actually truth and how much was mojo.
    Sanding?
    Spring cover?
    Strings?
    NOS caps?
    Pickups?




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  • #2
    Its all crap I have been playing strats for a long time. You crank up any decent amp and plug in sometimes the cheapest strats and they sound pretty decent if you know how to play. Their is way too much thinking going on with people and their tones.
    How many people complain about your live sound probally none because 99% don't care. Studio stuff is a different thing tho I will put some thought into what I need to use.
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    • #3
      Sanding?
      Spring cover?
      Strings?
      NOS caps?
      Pickups?

      Sure - all of those* can make a difference IMO, but some are certainly more subtle than others.






































      *Okay, maybe not the spring cover.
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      - George Carlin

      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

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      • #4
        I agree with some of it. While the audience may not give a crap, some guitars totally "speak" to me. Some strats and tele's just resonate and sound awesome for some reason. I've got an older american tele body that is near 8 lbs by itself that resonates like a mofo. It makes for a ridiculously heavy guitar with everything else on it, but I can feel every chord, its way cool.

        The biggest thing I took away from the video however, is the John Mayer was a bit weirder than I was expecting. Pretty talented, despite the haters.
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        • #5
          Yeah, but like, its all subjective, and like, the context. And something... Or something about mix and fingers and talent, and composition...
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          • #6

            *Okay, maybe not the spring cover.


            ahem, #2...
            http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2008/Aug/10_Easy_Strat_Mods_to_Improve_Primary_Tone.aspx

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            • #7
              I had a long response I painstakingly typed out on my phone only to drop it and delete the message.

              Anyway, I have no way to back this up with science but I think that the most important factors in tone are the points at which the string touches. As long as you have a decent slab of wood that is resonant, a good connection to the neck, a clean nut slot, sturdy bridge and saddles and good fretting-hand technique, you will sound reasonably similar on an array of guitars. Of course pickups are a big factor too, but I tend to think that pots, caps, and all that other stuff has very little to do with the tone. As far as trem cavity covers and stuff - I think that's just getting a little obsessive.

              This reminds me of an example were I went to a newly opened restaurant/wine bar a few weeks ago. They offered a wine flight of 3 wine samples for $15. I ordered 3 different Pinot Niors. I tried each and enjoyed them but wasn't blown away by them and had better Pinot Nior at other establishments that weren't wine bars. After I finished the wine flight, I ordered another Pinot Nior and specifically asked the server to pick the driest one they had. I get the glass and give it a swirl and bam - it is the best wine I ever had. Sip after sip and I enjoyed it more and more. A few minutes later the server comes over and apologizes that she actually gave me the wrong wine and it was a duplicate of one that I had sampled on the wine flight. I think the mind has a way of tricking you into believing that there is a vast difference when really there may not be.

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              • #8
                ahem, #2...
                http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2008/Aug/10_Easy_Strat_Mods_to_Improve_Primary_Tone.aspx



                With all due respect to whomever wrote that... I find it highly doubtful. True, I've never tried to do a direct comparison of the sound with it on and off, but I've had plenty of Strats over the years, and plenty of occasions where I've played them with the string cover off and I've never noticed any change in the sound of the guitars when the spring covers were removed. And if someone claims they can hear the difference with the spring cover removed, I challenge them to do so in a double-blind listening test with someone else playing the guitar.

                I also found this piece of advice somewhat questionable:

                4. Take care of your neck cavity. Uninstall the neck and check the cavity; it should be absolutely free of any paint, dirt and other things. Over the years I've found a lot of funny things there -- credit cards, paper, cardboard, etc.


                Matchbook covers, pieces of credit cards... has this author ever heard of neck shims?
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                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                - George Carlin

                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                • #9
                  how much of it is actually truth and how much was mojo.


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                  • #10
                    other than playing ability which I do not have, I feel pickup adjustment has more to do with strat tone than anything else.

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                    • #11
                      With all due respect to whomever wrote that... I find it highly doubtful. True, I've never tried to do a direct comparison of the sound with it on and off, but I've had plenty of Strats over the years, and plenty of occasions where I've played them with the string cover off and I've never noticed any change in the sound of the guitars when the spring covers were removed. And if someone claims they can hear the difference with the spring cover removed, I challenge them to do so in a double-blind listening test with someone else playing the guitar.

                      I also found this piece of advice somewhat questionable:

                      4. Take care of your neck cavity. Uninstall the neck and check the cavity; it should be absolutely free of any paint, dirt and other things. Over the years I've found a lot of funny things there -- credit cards, paper, cardboard, etc.


                      Matchbook covers, pieces of credit cards... has this author ever heard of neck shims?


                      I've heard a few people complain about this too, I don't see what the heck is wrong with a neck shim. I usually just stick in a thin pick and it works wonders for action/setup.
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                      • #12

                        Matchbook covers, pieces of credit cards... has this author ever heard of neck shims?


                        Whomever wrote that sounds dumb, but a good wooden shim is structurally better than a squishy piece of cardboard.

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                        • #13
                          He also says he put the strat in the freezer because it didn't sound right, which is either hilarious and awesome or crazy and stupid to admit.... But still awesome
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                          • #14
                            I agree - wood > cardboard.
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                            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                            - George Carlin

                            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                            • #15
                              Remember that thread at TGP about straps and tone?
                              .

                              Good deals lonk

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