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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe
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    I completely agree.



    If I'm buying a $300 Squier, I don't have the same expectations, but if I'm buying a nice new American built guitar, either toss in a set of strings of my choice so I can do it myself, or offer to set it up for me.




    I don't really see why the more expensive guitar deserves a setup but the cheaper one doesn't. So because I don't have the cash for a 3k guitar I don't deserve my instrument to be set up properly? Like I said, I'm not expecting a crazy setup, but both guitars came with truss rods so loose they were almost free spinning in the necks, and would bend out of tune if the guitar was rested on only the body.
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    Guitars:Peavey hp exp, Squier 51 (gfs liverpool in bridge Brass bottom in neck), Squier jazzmaster
    Amps: Traynor yba-1 modded for KT88, silverface fender bandmaster reverb, Silvertone 1474, 2x12 (WGS g12c), 2x12 (WGS vet30/reaper hp)
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    • #17






      Quote Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe
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      I completely agree.



      If I'm buying a $300 Squier, I don't have the same expectations, but if I'm buying a nice new American built guitar, either toss in a set of strings of my choice so I can do it myself, or offer to set it up for me.




      I don't really see why the more expensive guitar deserves a setup but the cheaper one doesn't. So because I don't have the cash for a 3k guitar I don't deserve my instrument to be set up properly? Like I said, I'm not expecting a crazy setup, but both guitars came with truss rods so loose they were almost free spinning in the necks, and would bend out of tune if the guitar was rested on only the body.
      www.facebook.com/caveinanalogeffects

      Guitars:Peavey hp exp, Squier 51 (gfs liverpool in bridge Brass bottom in neck), Squier jazzmaster
      Amps: Traynor yba-1 modded for KT88, silverface fender bandmaster reverb, Silvertone 1474, 2x12 (WGS g12c), 2x12 (WGS vet30/reaper hp)
      Pedals:Eb volume/pan-->tu2-->skreddy screwdriver-->timmy-->Fuzzfactory/sho-->hm fuzz v3--> dd20--> moog phaser-->cathedral-->rc20xl

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      • #18
        I almost always tweak whatever the setup is anyway but yeah it should be reasonably set up when they give it to you. My local shop owner sets up all the guitars he sells himself, so that's very cool. The shop I used to go to in brooklyn would also make sure all the instruments were decently set up and in tune before even putting them on the wall. I mean, who is going to buy a guitar if it feels like ****************?
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        • #19
          I almost always tweak whatever the setup is anyway but yeah it should be reasonably set up when they give it to you. My local shop owner sets up all the guitars he sells himself, so that's very cool. The shop I used to go to in brooklyn would also make sure all the instruments were decently set up and in tune before even putting them on the wall. I mean, who is going to buy a guitar if it feels like ****************?
          www.shoepedals.com

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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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            I don't really see why the more expensive guitar deserves a setup but the cheaper one doesn't. So because I don't have the cash for a 3k guitar I don't deserve my instrument to be set up properly? Like I said, I'm not expecting a crazy setup, but both guitars came with truss rods so loose they were almost free spinning in the necks, and would bend out of tune if the guitar was rested on only the body.




            Having once or twice worked in sales at MI retail stores (although it has been many, many years), I can tell you why it doesn't happen. It's complicated, and varies from store to store, situation to situation. Sometimes it's just plain laziness on the part of management, sales doods and dudettes. Sometimes it's lack of time if it's a busy store and management expects / wants the staff doing something else besides setting up guitars. And it does cost time to do setups, and time is money... There's typically more wiggle room in a higher priced guitar - along with higher customer expectations. Plus, having employees who may / may not know what they're doing messing with truss rods and nut slots is an added liability / risk for the store. If they break something like a truss rod, it's costly to them. As is adding a dedicated tech. Unless they're doing outside setups, they're not making any money for the store. Having them doing outside work is a whole 'nuther business, and requires space - not only for a tech bench, but for additional space for incoming / outgoing repair and setup items. And getting someone who can do that kind of work - and do it well - is not always easy to do.



            Unfortunately, not enough people really know how to do a decent setup. And that includes guitarists, who IMO, should know better. Really - if you've been playing for a few years, you should know how to at least do the basics yourself, and from all the guitarists who have brought guitars into the studio with really lousy setups and who had no idea how to adjust them themselves, I'd have to say that far too few ever bother to learn.



            But back to the stores. IMHO, there's no reason why a truss rod should be way off like that. IMO, when you take the guitar out of the case or box, you should at least give it a quick once-over and make sure nothing's messed up. Putting something that's way out of whack up on the wall is just an embarrassment. IMO, a savvy salesperson / store owner / manager will either go in and adjust the guitars in advance (so they play better when customers try them out, which leads them to be more inclined to want to buy them ) or at the minimum, offer to set it up for the player as an incentive to them. Again, that's just smart business. It takes five to fifteen minutes to do the basics, and if it means closing the sale, it would seem more than justified from the store's perspective. Again - IF the guitar has enough margin in it to make the added time (the materials cost, in terms of strings, is minimal) and staff costs worth it.
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            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

            - George Carlin

            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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              I don't really see why the more expensive guitar deserves a setup but the cheaper one doesn't. So because I don't have the cash for a 3k guitar I don't deserve my instrument to be set up properly? Like I said, I'm not expecting a crazy setup, but both guitars came with truss rods so loose they were almost free spinning in the necks, and would bend out of tune if the guitar was rested on only the body.




              Having once or twice worked in sales at MI retail stores (although it has been many, many years), I can tell you why it doesn't happen. It's complicated, and varies from store to store, situation to situation. Sometimes it's just plain laziness on the part of management, sales doods and dudettes. Sometimes it's lack of time if it's a busy store and management expects / wants the staff doing something else besides setting up guitars. And it does cost time to do setups, and time is money... There's typically more wiggle room in a higher priced guitar - along with higher customer expectations. Plus, having employees who may / may not know what they're doing messing with truss rods and nut slots is an added liability / risk for the store. If they break something like a truss rod, it's costly to them. As is adding a dedicated tech. Unless they're doing outside setups, they're not making any money for the store. Having them doing outside work is a whole 'nuther business, and requires space - not only for a tech bench, but for additional space for incoming / outgoing repair and setup items. And getting someone who can do that kind of work - and do it well - is not always easy to do.



              Unfortunately, not enough people really know how to do a decent setup. And that includes guitarists, who IMO, should know better. Really - if you've been playing for a few years, you should know how to at least do the basics yourself, and from all the guitarists who have brought guitars into the studio with really lousy setups and who had no idea how to adjust them themselves, I'd have to say that far too few ever bother to learn.



              But back to the stores. IMHO, there's no reason why a truss rod should be way off like that. IMO, when you take the guitar out of the case or box, you should at least give it a quick once-over and make sure nothing's messed up. Putting something that's way out of whack up on the wall is just an embarrassment. IMO, a savvy salesperson / store owner / manager will either go in and adjust the guitars in advance (so they play better when customers try them out, which leads them to be more inclined to want to buy them ) or at the minimum, offer to set it up for the player as an incentive to them. Again, that's just smart business. It takes five to fifteen minutes to do the basics, and if it means closing the sale, it would seem more than justified from the store's perspective. Again - IF the guitar has enough margin in it to make the added time (the materials cost, in terms of strings, is minimal) and staff costs worth it.
              **********

              "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

              - George Carlin

              "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

              - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

              "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

              - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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              • #22
                I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.



                Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.
                Cause sometimes the rhetoric don't go with the contents

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                • #23
                  I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.



                  Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.
                  Cause sometimes the rhetoric don't go with the contents

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                  • #24
                    I buy mostly used guitars and I don't care if it's setup or not. Generally I do a restring/setup on everything I get anyway unless I get something built in which case I ask for it to be strung/setup a certain way.

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                    • #25
                      I buy mostly used guitars and I don't care if it's setup or not. Generally I do a restring/setup on everything I get anyway unless I get something built in which case I ask for it to be strung/setup a certain way.

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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall
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                        I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.



                        Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.




                        I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money I guess I just expected more.
                        www.facebook.com/caveinanalogeffects

                        Guitars:Peavey hp exp, Squier 51 (gfs liverpool in bridge Brass bottom in neck), Squier jazzmaster
                        Amps: Traynor yba-1 modded for KT88, silverface fender bandmaster reverb, Silvertone 1474, 2x12 (WGS g12c), 2x12 (WGS vet30/reaper hp)
                        Pedals:Eb volume/pan-->tu2-->skreddy screwdriver-->timmy-->Fuzzfactory/sho-->hm fuzz v3--> dd20--> moog phaser-->cathedral-->rc20xl

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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall
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                          I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.



                          Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.




                          I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money I guess I just expected more.
                          www.facebook.com/caveinanalogeffects

                          Guitars:Peavey hp exp, Squier 51 (gfs liverpool in bridge Brass bottom in neck), Squier jazzmaster
                          Amps: Traynor yba-1 modded for KT88, silverface fender bandmaster reverb, Silvertone 1474, 2x12 (WGS g12c), 2x12 (WGS vet30/reaper hp)
                          Pedals:Eb volume/pan-->tu2-->skreddy screwdriver-->timmy-->Fuzzfactory/sho-->hm fuzz v3--> dd20--> moog phaser-->cathedral-->rc20xl

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                          • #28
                            I never expect a guitar to be set up.



                            It's not really that big of a deal, and comparing it to a dealer selling a car without balancing the tires is an exaggeration.



                            If you're paying for string changes or set ups, you really need to do a little research and learn for yourself. It's really not a big deal. Depending on how much you clean, and how far you go........it shouldn't take you more than an hour.



                            Even if the guitar is set up well, I still like to pull it all apart, clean it, and do a full re-setup. I like my guitars better when I set them up.
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                            • #29
                              I never expect a guitar to be set up.



                              It's not really that big of a deal, and comparing it to a dealer selling a car without balancing the tires is an exaggeration.



                              If you're paying for string changes or set ups, you really need to do a little research and learn for yourself. It's really not a big deal. Depending on how much you clean, and how far you go........it shouldn't take you more than an hour.



                              Even if the guitar is set up well, I still like to pull it all apart, clean it, and do a full re-setup. I like my guitars better when I set them up.
                              good deals with: nearly everyone.
                              Previous Moniker tiles: JoshuaTSP, Science! & GAS KING

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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain
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                                I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money I guess I just expected more.




                                In that case I'd expect a setup and would let them know.
                                Cause sometimes the rhetoric don't go with the contents

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