Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 FIRSTLY, I BELIEVE THAT ANY AMP, ESPECIALLY TUBE, CAN CUT IF SET RIGHT. I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own. While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones. Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it FOR ME are the Cobra and 5150. You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids. Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone. Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others. Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps. I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction. 1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.and2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 My recto cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 my Quick Rod cuts like a samurai sword on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brick Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I want a cobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stevenexp Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have heard lots of rectos cut through. I watched a guy with a 6505 get drowned out though. yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshuaLogan Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 any amp can cut. a pod can cut through too if you EQ it correctly. doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good in the process, but it will cut. basically, people are stupid. /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stevenexp Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live. I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 yeah people can really set their amps up for failure live. Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I'm not sure how you can make a box of bees sound good? enlighten me. if you are in or around minnesota we can meet up and I would be happy to show you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Zachman Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction. 1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.and2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.Amen. There are a couple of things: 1) NOT ALL amps are created equally 2) Having the right gear, IS a HUGE part of the journey, BUT... knowing what to do with it, is what ends up determining if one ever reaches their tone destination 3) There is NO accounting for taste, and some guys can take the best gear in the world, and their talent is... achieving the WORST possible tone out of it, and then those same guys rave about how great the tone is, all the while saying that it doesn't cut for some "unknown" mysterious reason. 4) KNOWING what equipment it "Actually" takes to get the "right" tone is often NOT known by people. My $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 Thats because bedroom/basement playing is a whole different ballgame from full band setting in a live environment. Exactly, a lot of people don't understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Totengott Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction. 1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.and2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.Amen. thank you dr phil for being right all the goddamn time and correcting me....my DSL cuts thru just fine without your asshole advice please people...play what you think sounds great and dont take the advice of the elite assholes who have so called ''owned'' everything say....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Gourd of Ashes Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 Cabinet My experience is the cabinet matters most. V30s are still the kings of cut. If a nice set of broken-in V30s are loaded in a solid, well constructed, high quality birch cabinet then it's possible to have the best of both worlds. Solid low end and cut. Several years ago I learned. A good cabinet can make a lower end amp sound great. But it usually doesn't work the other way around. Also, not all cabinets are created equally. I've used to own 3 4x12 V30 filled birch RIvera cabinets and only liked the sound of one of them. SO it takes some searching to find the right cab. But once ya find it....it can stay with ya a lifetime....just like a nice guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Totengott Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 FIRSTLY, I BELIEVE THAT ANY AMP, ESPECIALLY TUBE, CAN CUT IF SET RIGHT.I have been seeing so many of these threads "my amp doesn't cut, help." It is more than just coincidence that most of these amps that apparently don't cut are also the amps that sound REALLY BIG and THICK on their own.While my opinion is in fact, only an opinion, look at my sig, I have owned and played A LOT high end, high gain amps. I have also played in a band for quite a while now, and played with many guitarists. Also, I have a VERY critical ear when it comes to live guitar tones.Basically, it is very hard to have an amp that sounds HUGE and cuts through extremely well at the same time. About the only two amps that do it are the Cobra and 5150.You have guys with the rectifiers and uberschalls who are always complaining about their tone being loose and not cutting. The more lowend, and low-mids your amp produces, the less it is going to cut most likely. Comparatively, the less lowend and more midrange and highs you have, the better you will cut, but the thinner you will sound. So, take all these HUGE sounding amps and guess what, they arnt going to slice through the live mix as well as we all would like them too, that's just the way it is kids.Another "coincidence", look at all the tighter amps out there: Cobra, VHTs, Quickrod, 5150 II, Laney, ENGL, MAKO etc. These amps are all stupid tight, AND have a brighter, more mid voiced tone.Take the Looser amps out there: Uberschall, Recto, Dragon, etc. they are voiced darker and thicker. yet they dont cut as well as the others.Basically, to sum things up, its a trade off. its damn hard to have a super tight and cutting amp that sounds super thick at the same time. Like I said, the only amps that I have played that can combine both qualities are the Cobra and the 5150 series amps.I just want people to know, that there is a trade-off for going too extreme in either direction. 1. A VERY bright amp will usually yield a thinner, more brittle tone.and2. A VERY dark amp will yield a looser tone that doesn't cut very well.Amen. you are full of {censored} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tsunamijesus Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 you are full of {censored} what the hell is this guys problem? ps lol wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 Some people just dont have the ear for it. Theres a local kid, fantastic guitar player, but he bought this useless POS MG series Marshall half stack. It sounds utterly pathetic, but he likes it. His tone is horrid, and he runs his 1974 Les Paul Custom into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 'Cause it's an AC30. It cuts better than the Feds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 thank you dr phil for being right all the goddamn time and correcting me....my DSL cuts thru just fine without your asshole adviceplease people...play what you think sounds great and dont take the advice of the elite assholes who have so called ''owned'' everything say....... haha. you need to get angry about it, I dont think i was coming off offensively or anything! and i think a dsl cuts fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 you are full of {censored} and you're a piece of {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted April 23, 2008 Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 CabinetMy experience is the cabinet matters most. V30s are still the kings of cut. If a nice set of broken-in V30s are loaded in a solid, well constructed, high quality birch cabinet then it's possible to have the best of both worlds. Solid low end and cut.Several years ago I learned. A good cabinet can make a lower end amp sound great. But it usually doesn't work the other way around. Also, not all cabinets are created equally. I've used to own 3 4x12 V30 filled birch RIvera cabinets and only liked the sound of one of them. SO it takes some searching to find the right cab. But once ya find it....it can stay with ya a lifetime....just like a nice guitar You bet. this is another HUGE piece of the puzzle that gets overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted April 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2008 Cabinet I've used to own 3 4x12 V30 filled birch RIvera cabinets and only liked the sound of one of them. SO it takes some searching to find the right cab. But once ya find it....it can stay with ya a lifetime....just like a nice guitar heh, makes me want to try clones of all my cabs to see if there is any variance..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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