Members Faust1587 Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Ive read alot about doing this and after finally trying it I found how to accomplish it. The secret was having a chorus with a wet/dry signal (Biyang CH-7) turned low. My Boss RV-3 (delay and reverb combo) of course has a wet/dry signal and I turn that down low too. I should also mention I dont run my preamp gain no more than 6.7. I was wondering if anybody else has tried using effects this way. I cant say it sounds that bad, it was just a matter of finding the right settings. Of course I'm wondering if there is a chorus pedal that was meant to be thrown in front of distortion. I like the 80's if you can't tell I now have a new appreciation for the JCM 800, before I thought I just had to use the low input with a dirt box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa/Kramer Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 1. Take amp to Tech. 2. Spend about $200 to have a loop installed. 3. Profit. 4. Then you will see the error of your ways. In General, time based effects sound like {censored} in front of a dirty amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rey Gato Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Zakk Wylde seems to do it without a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 I run effects in front of a dirty amp with no problem. You just have to be extra careful with the levels. However, my amp is just mildly dirty, not a raging beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faust1587 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Don't know why I need a loop...everything works fine the way it is. I clean up my amp with an eq pedal and change to the neck and bridge pickups, click a chorus pedal on and it sounds just as good as the low input. I got a clean chorused 80s sound without modding my amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faust1587 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Originally Posted by diddlybo I run effects in front of a dirty amp with no problem. You just have to be extra careful with the levels. However, my amp is just mildly dirty, not a raging beast. Yeah this is what I'm saying. I'm using my JCM 800 for crunch and overdrive, I'm not playing over the top death metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa/Kramer 1. Take amp to Tech.2. Spend about $200 to have a loop installed.3. Profit.4. Then you will see the error of your ways.In General, time based effects sound like shit in front of a dirty amp. It doesn't sound like he was asking for advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members '63-Strat Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa/Kramer 1. Take amp to Tech.2. Spend about $200 to have a loop installed.3. Profit.4. Then you will see the error of your ways.In General, time based effects sound like shit in front of a dirty amp. Definitely depends on the application. For some things yes, it will sound like shit, for others it will just sound different not necessarily bad. Obviously a lot of guys have run time-based effects into the front of their amps with some success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members draelyc Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 I like my Choralflange in front a crunching/overdriving amp. However, delay is a bit trickier. It's not really a problem (for me) unless I also want to boost said overdriving amp for higher gain, in which case the volume levels of the echoes gets all wonky: if it's just right for the higher gain, it's barely audible when the boost is off; if it's "right" with the boost off, the boost drives it up until all you hear is echo. There is a fix, if you've got an overdrive pedal that can add gain without adding volume to the signal. That way, you can kick in a higher gain sound without screwing with the delay levels.But honestly, I really prefer an fx loop for delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Norton666 Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 Mod effects like chorus belong in front of an amp IMO. But delay/verb just doesn't sound good to me out front. Needs to be in the loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6IaJ3NscbA This is verb & TC pitch modulator in stereo out front. [bobby's favorite] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nerine Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 I do it both ways. I like things in front when recording because of the extra character. Otherwise I might as well just slap it on in post. Live, my delays are generally always in the loop. Unless its my plexi or Bassman. Then they're straight in. My 800 is a reissue so it has an awesome fx loop in it. Wouldn't have it any other way. Love that {censored}ing amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddhapaugh Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Did someone invoke Zakk Wylde as a reference for tone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa/Kramer Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby It doesn't sound like he was asking for advice True dat, but i gave it anyways................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeppelin Rules Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Eric Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shane159 Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 I like everything other than a EQ in the front. Delays are cleaner in the loop, but I am fine with them in the front, and it is also less hassle at the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted by buddhapaugh Did someone invoke Zakk Wylde as a reference for tone? Zakk recorded some of the best LP tones ever with Ozzy and Pride & Glory.. so yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 now for the original topic.. I use chorus in front, delay through the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rey Gato Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted by buddhapaugh Did someone invoke Zakk Wylde as a reference for tone? I brought up Zakk Wylde, not necessarily in regards to his tone, but because his effects are all out in front of his amp, and he makes them work well. However, if we're talking about tone, Zakk's got fantastic, crushing tone. For delay, I personally prefer it in the loop because it does work better in the loop, but if you don't have one, you can make it work. I need to get me a chorus pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 {censored}, I used to play modern metal gigs with a Timefactor in front of the input of my Deliverance and a {censored} load of preamp gain for solos before I had a loop added and no one ever cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 Don't know why I need a loop...everything works fine the way it is. Most amps where I use the amps overdrive/distortion channel I run an EQ in the loop for a solo boost Works great, especially if you have a 2nd guitarist in the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neilrocks25 Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 I run effects in front of a dirty amp with no problem. You just have to be extra careful with the levels. However, my amp is just mildly dirty, not a raging beast. pretty much this. the effects loop thing is silly as every one run it this way until the 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members draelyc Posted November 12, 2012 Members Share Posted November 12, 2012 For delay, I personally prefer it in the loop because it does work better in the loop, but if you don't have one, you can make it work. I need to get me a chorus pedal. Never been a huge BLS fan, but awesome video is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robert Kortus Posted November 13, 2012 Members Share Posted November 13, 2012 I follow David Grissom's philosophy on running pedals into amps. Go to 8:45...[YOUTUBE]MYLiVPoODjU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted November 13, 2012 Members Share Posted November 13, 2012 ... "no pros use a loop anymore" I can name at least 10 players that are way bigger than he is that do use the effects loop. This guy sounds like an arrogant prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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