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  • #46
    Would u guys say that the prx 600 series is worth the extra coin ? Im seeing some pretty good deals on the prx518's and 718's. Im partial to jbl for some reason...lol Probaly the same reason i like my chevy, who knows However i want to get the best low end per cab that i can while keeping it under 1500k per cab.

    Im going to listen to some QSC's (a dual 12 and the 18hpr) this week. Would be nice to get all of them together at once.

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    • #47
      EV's ZXA5's can be had for under $ 1500.00 per cabinet delivered.
      Thanks,
      Bill Cronheim
      Entertainment Systems Corporation
      Back stage since 1965
      Equipment specialist since 1973

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      • #48
        If you can go that high take a serious look at RCF 500 and 700 series. Only cabinet I know in that price range that has larger than 1" exit compression driver. I love my 522A's. I with they had better distribution so more people could hear them. I guess it's to my benefit that they don't.
        PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
        Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
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        • #49
          I was referring to subs in the 1500k range, Sorry upon re-reading i didn't really make that clear.

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          • #50
            I was referring to subs in the 1500k range, Sorry upon re-reading i didn't really make that clear.


            If it were me I'd put my money in the mains. Getting a $800 per box main and $1500 per box sub doesn't make sense, to me anyway. I'd flip it to $1300 mains and $1000 subs.
            PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
            Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
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            • #51
              Its the sub dept that im hurting the most in. I have older jbl srx tops that other than there size and age dont sound to bad. Just working with the weakest link to start with. What ever sub i go with i will get corresponding top cabs 2nd.

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              • #52
                I believe someone suggested earlier in this thread, that powered speakers "cost more". I'd sure like an explanation of how that view comes about.

                Most decent powered speakers are bi-amped, so you have to figure the cost of the passive speakers, plus the amps, and the rack to carry the amps,,,, as well as the space to store/transport the extra gear.

                Anyone who suggests that carrying a passive subwoofer of any considerable performance, will be "easier" than carrying the equivalent powered version, well,,,,,,,????? (120lbs, vs 140 lbs, are both a pain in the a$$ IMO). Most will have casters anyway I would imagine.
                Veni, Vidi, Velcro;

                (I came, I saw, I stuck around)

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                • #53
                  One big thing is how often you do outdoor shows. With passive boxes you can tarp the amp racks and the speakers are generally OK. Active is a bit more tricky in that you really have to worry about the power cabling getting wet, and also if you put a trash bag over an active box it's much more likely to overheat.

                  I do like active quite a lot, but for outdoor shows with any real chance of rain those passive boxes give me a lot more confidence that I can still do the show.
                  "I would kill the children of a thousand planets, just to see you smile"

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                  • #54
                    One big thing is how often you do outdoor shows. With passive boxes you can tarp the amp racks and the speakers are generally OK. Active is a bit more tricky in that you really have to worry about the power cabling getting wet, and also if you put a trash bag over an active box it's much more likely to overheat.

                    I do like active quite a lot, but for outdoor shows with any real chance of rain those passive boxes give me a lot more confidence that I can still do the show.


                    I might need to start a new thread for some low-cost, practical solutions for protecting gear outdoors...

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                    • #55
                      I might need to start a new thread for some low-cost, practical solutions for protecting gear outdoors...


                      I've seen some great solutions lately, but these were all hanging line-arrays with weather-wraps that take literally seconds to deploy. nice looking stuff.
                      Veni, Vidi, Velcro;

                      (I came, I saw, I stuck around)

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                      • #56
                        To compare similarly to my post to RR, the MRX512 has the same drivers as the PRX512 and PRX612, the 262 and 2408. The SRX has the 2262 and 2431 drivers.


                        just got home from a show where we forced to use a pair of prx512m as dual monitor,,and they truely suck!,,couldnt even rotate one to couple the horns.i wouldnt contemplate using a single as a monitor,just not good enough.,,might make an ok stereo keyboard rig or something.but i guess its a bit rough to compare to our usual bi-amp eaw mons.
                        cheers,,,,dave

                        ***disclaimer: views expressed by davidss1 are not an attempt to generate sales for CMS.

                        www.computer-mix-systems.com

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                        • #57
                          just got home from a show where we forced to use a pair of prx512m as dual monitor,,and they truely suck!,,couldnt even rotate one to couple the horns.i wouldnt contemplate using a single as a monitor,just not good enough.,,might make an ok stereo keyboard rig or something.but i guess its a bit rough to compare to our usual bi-amp eaw mons.


                          "Truly suck" is a pretty strong statement for something that's generally regarded as of decent quality. "Truly suck" is also not much of a meaningful descriptor. In what way did the suck?
                          PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                          Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                          www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                          • #58
                            "Truly suck" is a pretty strong statement for something that's generally regarded as of decent quality. "Truly suck" is also not much of a meaningful descriptor. In what way did the suck?


                            i guess i was refering to them in our application.they just didnt have enough grunt to keep up with the biamp monitors we use.i thought they sounded honky in the mid range frequencies and the highs were buiried at high volume.couldnt even rotate one to couple the horns.
                            i dont know who regards these as decent quality,but maybe they should get out and hear some real gear,but once again,its "horses for courses" and if they are suitable for ones intended usage thats great,,,just not for mine.
                            cheers,,,,dave

                            ***disclaimer: views expressed by davidss1 are not an attempt to generate sales for CMS.

                            www.computer-mix-systems.com

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                            • #59
                              i guess i was refering to them in our application.they just didnt have enough grunt to keep up with the biamp monitors we use.i thought they sounded honky in the mid range frequencies and the highs were buiried at high volume.couldnt even rotate one to couple the horns.
                              i dont know who regards these as decent quality,but maybe they should get out and hear some real gear,but once again,its "horses for courses" and if they are suitable for ones intended usage thats great,,,just not for mine.


                              Same sound guy you normally use? If so, was there time and effort putting into EQing them?
                              PA: JBL PRX712, PRX718XLF, RCF 745-A, 522-A, 310A, A&H Qu-16
                              Lights: AMDJ Dotz TPAR, Haze Generator, Chauvet GigBAR
                              www.nextexitrocks.com | wedding band | Columbus, OH | VIDEO

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                              • #60
                                Since were on the monitor subject. What brand of monitors are these?





                                These bad boys sounded killer.

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