Members Faber Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 And no, I'm not looking for the "cause they suck, dooD" reply These are pretty cool PUs. Different from the vintage style to be sure, but hardly more so than the noiseless ones Fender's been using since. So what brought about the change? Dissatisfied customers? Business disagreements btw Fender and Lace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cokekolev Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 Because they suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted March 29, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 Because they suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Trevisol Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 Because Vintage Noiseless sound better? Oh, and they look retarded. Strats need polepieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BootRoots Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I think it was something regarding Fender and Lace having some sort of exclusive agreement or contract. when that ended they went their seperate ways. Lace was available elsewhere and Fender developed their own noiseless pickups. I;d have to google the specifics, so I may be way off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted March 29, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 Because Vintage Noiseless sound better? Oh, and they look retarded. Strats need polepieces. You think they sound better? Interesting, cause I feel just the opposite. They are a bit fatter I think, than the VN, and I like that. Can't agree with you on the looks either - I love the look of LS and EMGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FFStratophile Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'd really like at least one strat model with Lace's. They sure don't sound vintage, but they have a great sound that I would want in at least one of my strats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members powerplayj Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I think it was something regarding Fender and Lace having some sort of exclusive agreement or contract. when that ended they went their seperate ways. Lace was available elsewhere and Fender developed their own noiseless pickups. I;d have to google the specifics, so I may be way off Sounds right...they contracted Bill Lawrence to design the SCN noiseless pickups for the American Models. PS: The Lace Hot Golds rock!! I've had the old stock Silver and Blue but the Hot Golds are in a class of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Trevisol Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 Compared with my vintage wound true single-coil GFS setup with a duckbucker thrown in, which sounds VERY vintage, the VN's I have (with proper 1meg volume pot and 500k tone pots), sound very vintage. Only a mite warmer and a slight bit less clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members z28talon Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I like my lace sensors in my strat and love the look. The mention about Fender developing their own noiseless pickups sounds very plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ToasterOven Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I haven't played a single Fender with Vintage Noiseless that I liked the tone of. Something there just doesn't work. Lace Sensor Golds are great sounding pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted March 29, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I figured it was business, cause while I certainly don't agree with all the ragging on Fender noiseless, that you see on boards like these, I don't see how they could be considered an upgrade from the LSs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wilmer Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I believe there was some business agreements that were expensive for Fender, and also that traditional players have a tendency to be extremely conservative and anxious about any change, no matter if it is about sound or look. Laces never became popular among them, the same thing that have happened with the Vintage Noiseless who always are downgraded. I use Lace Hot Golds, and they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frets99 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'd really like at least one strat model with Lace's. They sure don't sound vintage, but they have a great sound that I would want in at least one of my strats. They each have their different tone and I love having both!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kat73 Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I heard that Fender stopped using them because they wanted an exclusive relationship with Lace. When Lace went off on their own and rejected the exclusive arrangement, Fender developed their own noiseless pickup. I haven't confirmed this, but that's what I recall hearing. BTW, Fender has started to use the Lace Sensors again in the Buddy Guy sig model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Strat Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 The Lace Holy Grail pickups sound pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members csm Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 BTW, Fender has started to use the Lace Sensors again in the Buddy Guy sig model. They never stopped. Ditto the James Burton Tele: it's only the Clapton and Beck Strats which dumped the Lace Sensors for, rspectively, Vintage and Hot Noiseless PUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psychotronic Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 It was partially a marketing decision, brought about by the new (at the time) trend toward everything "vintage". Lace's did/do not fall into that category sonically as well as visually. I, for one, loved them -- they were very good at capturing the sound of the guitar, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Welladjusted Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I heard that Fender stopped using them because they wanted an exclusive relationship with Lace. When Lace went off on their own and rejected the exclusive arrangement, Fender developed their own noiseless pickup. I haven't confirmed this, but that's what I recall hearing. That makes sense to me. Also, Fender could sell their own noiseless single coils aftermarket. Lace was already doing so, but Fender wasn't making a cent from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I have one guitar with one of each in it! The neck is a Vintage Noiseless (not a hot VN or SCN). The middle is a FLS Gold. The bridge is a Duncan AlNiCo II Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slider Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I too heard the Bill Lawrence stroy. I think the Gold Lace Sensors in my strat give it a distinctive sound. I love this guitar. the other is nice too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wilmer Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 For the moment I guess only one famous guitarist still use Lace pickups, and that is Keith Urban. I heard him at a country show and he had a sound to die for in his Clapton Strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Welladjusted Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 For the moment I guess only one famous guitarist still use Lace pickups, and that is Keith Urban. I heard him at a country show and he had a sound to die for in his Clapton Strat. The fact that he plays through a wall of Bad Cat's doesn't hurt either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted March 29, 2007 Members Share Posted March 29, 2007 I believe all the discussion about the deal between Lace and Fender ending was the primary driving factor. But they kept using them in the EC sigs and others until the Vintage Noiseless and traditional signles slowly replaced them. But the Lace's also had a bad rep with players, who mostly found the Gold and Silver them flat and lifeless compared to the PU's they were supposed to emulate. By the time Fender developed the Vintage Noiseless, there was a whole revolution in trying to make a humless single that sounded true to vintage pieces (which Lace did not). Kinman, DiMarzio, Fender and others really came up with PU's that got far closer to traditional Fender tone, it was a major step forward from the old Lace's. The VN's where a new item when they introduced with the American Deluxe series, and players/consumers were really blown away by the VN's more traditional tone. And then EC went for them over the Lace, and then eventually dumped the whole noiseless idea altogether. I'm not too sure what spurred the VN to SCN change, but hose (which were developed with Bill Lawerence) came several years later. Lace in turn kept developing and has come up with far more complex and deeper sounding PU's that their old '90's models as well. Actually, these were just starting to improve as Fender was dropping them, poor timing. Also, it seems Kinman and DiMarzio's have received far more kudos over their efforts than either Fender or Lace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 I believe all the discussion about the deal between Lace and Fender ending was the primary driving factor. But they kept using them in the EC sigs and others until the Vintage Noiseless and traditional signles slowly replaced them. But the Lace's also had a bad rep with players, who mostly found the Gold and Silver them flat and lifeless compared to the PU's they were supposed to emulate. By the time Fender developed the Vintage Noiseless, there was a whole revolution in trying to make a humless single that sounded true to vintage pieces (which Lace did not). Kinman, DiMarzio, Fender and others really came up with PU's that got far closer to traditional Fender tone, it was a major step forward from the old Lace's. The VN's where a new item when they introduced with the American Deluxe series, and players/consumers were really blown away by the VN's more traditional tone. And then EC went for them over the Lace, and then eventually dumped the whole noiseless idea altogether. I'm not too sure what spurred the VN to SCN change, but hose (which were developed with Bill Lawerence) came several years later.Lace in turn kept developing and has come up with far more complex and deeper sounding PU's that their old '90's models as well. Actually, these were just starting to improve as Fender was dropping them, poor timing.Also, it seems Kinman and DiMarzio's have received far more kudos over their efforts than either Fender or Lace. Actually, the Clapton Strat does still have the VNs in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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