Members soundcreation Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yes, I could. Lang is a great drummer, and a seasoned session player that can play or handle any situation. That's what a great drummer can do....anything.You are making an assumption, because of his over the top stuff, that he is incapable of playing otherwise. Total bull{censored}. I've heard commercial jingles he's done, and you'd swear it could be Hal Blaine.That is one of the all time rancid cliche's in music, that a musician that is capable of inhuman feats on their instrument can't play simple when required, is just rubbish, but the converse is definitely true. Jack of all trades master of nothing...well...I take that back..he is a master at 4 way independence but.....no thanks....he's stiff and lifeless in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 OOF!Are you referring to the Burning for Buddy vids from the early 90's?We'll have to disagree: IMO, Peart was clearly not in his element. His playing was stiff, lacked any swing or life, he was not driving the band, but rather playing.his.robotic.part.in.purely.mathematical.te rms...And his kit sounded like ass.I HAVE heard from folks who are into him that he spent time since getting better at swing/jazz, etc.Can't imagine him doing worse... yep...he pretty much {censored}ing sucked as a swing drummer. He's just to straight. I mean this is better than I would do but still...... Even an average jazz cat would blow the doors off of this performance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 yeah, I respect Peart with his accomplishments in Rush. But him playing with Buddy's band was totally ridiculous. That's like Elton John leading Return to Forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not to defend Peart but everybody on the list - Chambers, Weckl, was Vinnie there? ... was lame. The regular guy prolly blows 'em all. Not to mention the scores of other capable legit band drummers around. Sorri, listened to way too much BR band in my life. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Not Marvin Smith...he was awesome on the BR tribute. A true Jazz player that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cdawg Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 i'm no peart fan, for sure. but few drummers have the balls to reach, especially accomplished drummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wrongnote85 Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 lol@medium drummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Not Marvin Smith...he was awesome on the BR tribute. A true Jazz player that one. I should clarify that I meant regular band drummers - who could they possibly be ? lol, college kids prolly - would also blow the star lineup Anyway IIRC I was including Smitty in the star bunch. Domineering as he was, there's only one Buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fusionfunk Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Jack of all trades master of nothing...well...I take that back..he is a master at 4 way independence but.....no thanks....he's stiff and lifeless in my opinion. Then you obviously haven't heard much of what he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Then you obviously haven't heard much of what he's done. yeah? Show me some stuff of him swinging or being funky then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burque Posted November 12, 2011 Members Share Posted November 12, 2011 there's only one Buddy. Well, at least somebody on this thread knows what they're talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buckin Fastard Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JakeTheSnake Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 Even an average jazz cat would blow the doors off of this performance... Love the shots of the double pedal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yanktar Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 Better have your ears checked. So...How come I can tell that Joe Morella, Tito Puente, Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Billy Cobham, Max Roach and even Michael Shrieve are ALL GREAT drummers, but somehow can't tell that Ginger Baker and Jon Bonham are? Exactly WHAT is wrong with my ears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yanktar Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 Even an average jazz cat would blow the doors off of this performance... He's still LIGHT YEARS better than any British rock drummer (Peart is Canadian) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 So...How come I can tell that Joe Morella, Tito Puente, Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Billy Cobham, Max Roach and even Michael Shrieve are ALL GREAT drummers, but somehow can't tell that Ginger Baker and Jon Bonham are? Exactly WHAT is wrong with my ears? You're deaf? Your ears have no taste? I don't know. Maybe if you keep trolling on this topic, you'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 15, 2011 Members Share Posted November 15, 2011 Joe Mozzarella - what a cheesy bastid. Had no biz amongst the grates. I agree Bonham, Baker, Moon... no precision, chops, material like the jazzers on your A list. BUT they were the drums on some great rock. The guys on your A list would stuck scratching their heads. Billy too. What do you think of Bruford, Collins, Harrison, ... did I miss a couple hundred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cross Eyed Mary Posted November 16, 2011 Members Share Posted November 16, 2011 This guy really hates British drummers. Maybe his Welsh nanny touched his naughty bits as a boy? If you suck at drums, play them louder. Worked for Phil Rudd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted November 16, 2011 Members Share Posted November 16, 2011 tough crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cross Eyed Mary Posted November 16, 2011 Members Share Posted November 16, 2011 Business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boomboomdrums Posted November 17, 2011 Members Share Posted November 17, 2011 Britain's got great guitarists and bass player and ivory guys, flutists and singers. But drummers? Not to these ears! I always thought Simon Phillips was a first rate monster drummer. He's from England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fusionfunk Posted November 17, 2011 Members Share Posted November 17, 2011 I always thought Simon Phillips was a first rate monster drummer. He's from England. Agreed. Along with many, many other great drummers from the UK. Not quite sure what geographic location has to do with talent, like the poster was suggesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twosticks Posted November 17, 2011 Members Share Posted November 17, 2011 Phil Collins and 70's Genesis is awesome as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yanktar Posted November 17, 2011 Members Share Posted November 17, 2011 This guy really hates British drummers. Maybe his Welsh nanny touched his naughty bits as a boy?If you suck at drums, play them louder. Worked for Phil Rudd. a) I never had a nanny. I just listen and hear guys whacking the skins as hard as they can on the beat. nothing sweet there.b) So...as you said, most just play them louder. A couple of weeks ago somebody posted a YT of Rod Stewart's "Maggie May". As I listened to it, a great ballad, I realized the drummer was totally RUINING IT! Then I listened to my favorite all-time cover by Stewart, of Tim Hardin's "Reason to Believe" and found I was hearing the same damn thing! A drummer too loud, too simple, and just plain too cheezy. Then the other night, I watched "Help!" again, Beatles on the cusp from bubblegum to Beethoven-like brilliance and even though most of the songs were stupid lyrics, the music was clearly evolving. And poor, maligned Ringo was ABSOLUTELY KEY to the sound on all of them, as was McCartney's fabulous bass work. Joe Morella's drum work on "Take Five" is as integral to that classic as Brubeck's piano and Desmond's sax. Maybe there are exceptions to be added to the Starr, Watts, Moon trio, but I don't hear it in the much-hailed British drummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 17, 2011 Members Share Posted November 17, 2011 O. Morell - O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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