Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dirty bombs don't need weapons grade material.Containers leak. I used to live in Machias, NY, not far from the Springville, NY nuclear containment facility. They made spent fuel into a glass for burial. Most trees within half mile of the place were dead or dying, inside and outside the plant bounderies. Some of the trees were on private property. I really think you should do some research here. This design is a radical departure from standard fission reactor design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted November 10, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 It won't be tree huggers necessarily. The fact that they are underground means potential contact with groundwater. Then there is the safe removal of spent fuel. There is a security problem. The workers at the local nuke plant have a bad habit of dying in their fifties. I work with a guy who worked at the local nuke plant for 9 years and he knows at least a dozen who have died of cancer. Cool idea though. I'm in IT, and if I go back 9 years, I know at least 4 who have died of cancer, and I've got a lot smaller sample population than the staff of a nuke plant, maybe 125 people total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted November 10, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yeah, cause if there's anything that people love more than radioactive boxes buried underground, its way bigger radioactive boxes floating in their fresh water I wonder if a carrier, or any nuke vessel, has ever floated in fresh water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 I spent a few minutes reading up about Uranium Hydride reactor design yesterday and it's pure {censored}ing genius. It took me a while to figure out the "no moving parts" bit, but once I understood the process, it's pretty damned amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 I wonder if a carrier, or any nuke vessel, has ever floated in fresh water. Brackish water, yes. Freshwater, we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3005663 Sorry about the dumb ads and such, but there's a thread with some more info. I'm with Burdizzos here-this is some neat stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3005663Sorry about the dumb ads and such, but there's a thread with some more info.I'm with Burdizzos here-this is some neat stuff. The first post in that thread does a pretty good job of explaining it. The inherant stability of the compund is the coolest part: The liquid metal reactor takes advantage of the physical properties of a fissile metal hydride, such as uranium hydride, which serves as a combination fuel and moderator. The invention is self-stabilizing and requires no moving mechanical components to control nuclear criticality. In contrast with customary designs, the control of the nuclear activity is achieved through the temperature driven mobility of the hydrogen isotope contained in the hydride. If the core temperature increases above a set point, the hydrogen isotope dissociates from the hydride and escapes out of the core, the moderation drops and the power production decreases. If the temperature drops, the hydrogen isotope is again associated by the fissile metal hydride and the process is reversed. The chemical isotope splits chemically when it gets too hot. Just like water boils and turns into steam, you can design the water system to not exceed the boiling point of water. You would have to keep the water under pressure to force higher temperatures. It's just a fission powered hot box that is incapable of getting too hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Renfield Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 I'm in IT, and if I go back 9 years, I know at least 4 who have died of cancer, and I've got a lot smaller sample population than the staff of a nuke plant, maybe 125 people total. Beat me to it. A coworkers wife works at the local nuclear plant here. He's gone on in length about how serious they are with monitoring everyone's Rad count, giving paid time off for various reasons that relate to it. Rotating staff in certain departments around and so on. He said that he has absolutely no fear of there ever being an issue with radiation for her, or anyone around her. In fact, he said that in all seriousness, they day anyone fears that there may be radiation sickness issues associated with a nuclear power plant, it won't matter, we'd all already be dead because something bad happened and it blew up. Until that day, there is no legitimate fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walkerci Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 There are many community colleges and tech schools that offer programs in Electromechanical Instrumentation and Power Production and Distribution, including many online type courses. The industry is going toward computer based digital control systems with PLC based local controls for small scale operations. The technology in this industry is changing at a ridiculous pace.There will be a significant turnover in Instrumentation Techs in the next few years. Most guys in the business are over 55.Check out thinkjobs.com for listings of I&C Tech type jobs. I checked out the site. Good coin for the Instrumentation Techs.Even better money for Water Quality jobs. FWIW, I had a long conversation on a flight last Friday with a person that does Water Quality work for FEMA. She said the job prospects and pay where very good. There is potential for foreign travel too, if you are into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walkerci Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Beat me to it. A coworkers wife works at the local nuclear plant here. He's gone on in length about how serious they are with monitoring everyone's Rad count, giving paid time off for various reasons that relate to it. Rotating staff in certain departments around and so on. He said that he has absolutely no fear of there ever being an issue with radiation for her, or anyone around her.In fact, he said that in all seriousness, they day anyone fears that there may be radiation sickness issues associated with a nuclear power plant, it won't matter, we'd all already be dead because something bad happened and it blew up. Until that day, there is no legitimate fear. I had to take Radiation Safety training a few months ago.According to the manual, airline flight crews have higher exposure to radiation than nuke plant operators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 The I&C field is the one field that anyone without a college degree can still make a good living provided that they are smart and willing to work. When I joined the HCBF, I was working as an I&C contractor for Con-Ed in Manhattan pulling down stupid money. If I wasn't married, I'd still be road whoring for six months out of the year and making better than $100k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted November 10, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Brackish water, yes. Freshwater, we'll never know. I suppose we'll just have to guess at what Lake Erie really is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 The I&C field is the one field that anyone without a college degree can still make a good living provided that they are smart and willing to work. When I joined the HCBF, I was working as an I&C contractor for Con-Ed in Manhattan pulling down stupid money. If I wasn't married, I'd still be road whoring for six months out of the year and making better than $100k. Hell, I've got a degree and don't make anywhere close to that. At all. Got any more info about this particular line of work? I'm not averse to travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hell, I've got a degree and don't make anywhere close to that. At all. Got any more info about this particular line of work? I'm not averse to travel I just filled the last of the vacancies in my shop. I should have another opening in about six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J. Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Also, judging from Burdizzos' past threads, once you're in with the Union, you can make boneheaded moves one after another, and still not get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Also, judging from Burdizzos' past threads, once you're in with the Union, you can make boneheaded moves one after another, and still not get fired. You have to be in for one year. Once the probationary period is over it's more trouble than it is worth to try to take action against someone. That's about to change and I cannot wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted November 10, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2008 Brackish water, yes. Freshwater, we'll never know. I'm pretty sure that the submarine base at Groton, CT, which is in the Thames River, is in fresh water, at least when the tide is ebbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted November 10, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2008 I had to take Radiation Safety training a few months ago.According to the manual, airline flight crews have higher exposure to radiation than nuke plant operators. Yup. But anti-nuclear people don't seem to be interested in facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted November 10, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 I'm pretty sure that the submarine base at Groton, CT, which is in the Thames River, is in fresh water, at least when the tide is ebbing. Nope, it's salt/brackish up to Norwich. http://oaspub.epa.gov/tmdl/waters_list.control?state=CT&huc=01100003&p_cycle=2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted November 10, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2008 Nope, it's salt/brackish up to Norwich.http://oaspub.epa.gov/tmdl/waters_list.control?state=CT&huc=01100003&p_cycle=2004 Norwich at high tide. At low tide, fresh water ought to be flowing clear out into Long Island Sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John S. Shinal Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 Here's the link to a press release on the Toshiba Micro Nuclear plant : http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html 200 kw power - sounds terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted November 10, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Norwich at high tide. At low tide, fresh water ought to be flowing clear out into Long Island Sound. You'll need to provide some evidence on this one. A quick look at the Thames River shows that it's very narrow and shallow above Norwich. It simply couldn't provide the volume of fresh water to completely flush the lower half of salt water within a tidal change, if at all. Interesting:rolleyes: tidbit on estuaries....the Hudson River is tidally influenced for 150 miles...all the way to the dam at Troy, NY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted November 10, 2008 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2008 You'll need to provide some evidence on this one. A quick look at the Thames River shows that it's very narrow and shallow above Norwich. It simply couldn't provide the volume of fresh water to completely flush the lower half of salt water within a tidal change, if at all.Interesting:rolleyes: tidbit on estuaries....the Hudson River is tidally influenced for 150 miles...all the way to the dam at Troy, NY!! I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Hard for me to do much about finding out, being as I am on the opposite side of the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hawkhuff Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 each. For a community with 10,000 households, that is a very affordable $250 per home.'Deal claims to have more than 100 firm orders, largely from the oil and electricity industries, but says the company is also targeting developing countries and isolated communities. 'It's leapfrog technology,' he said.The company plans to set up three factories to produce 4,000 plants between 2013 and 2023. 'We already have a pipeline for 100 reactors, and we are taking our time to tool up to mass-produce this reactor.'The first confirmed order came from TES, a Czech infrastructure company specialising in water plants and power plants. 'They ordered six units and optioned a further 12. We are very sure of their capability to purchase,' said Deal. The first one, he said, would be installed in Romania. 'We now have a six-year waiting list. We are in talks with developers in the Cayman Islands, Panama and the Bahamas.'The reactors, only a few metres in diameter, will be delivered on the back of a lorry to be buried underground. They must be refuelled every 7 to 10 years. Because the reactor is based on a 50-year-old design that has proved safe for students to use, few countries are expected to object to plants on their territory. An application to build the plants will be submitted to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission next year.'You could never have a Chernobyl-type event - there are no moving parts,' said Deal. 'You would need nation-state resources in order to enrich our uranium. Temperature-wise it's too hot to handle. It would be like stealing a barbecue with your bare hands.'Other companies are known to be designing micro-reactors. Toshiba has been testing 200KW reactors measuring roughly six metres by two metres. Designed to fuel smaller numbers of homes for longer, they could power a single building for up to 40 years. I doubt you'll see one anywhere in the continental US anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted November 10, 2008 Members Share Posted November 10, 2008 I had to take Radiation Safety training a few months ago.According to the manual, airline flight crews have higher exposure to radiation than nuke plant operators. Yup. I probably get more rads from the flourescent lighting in my office than I did as a Navy Nuke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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