Some Obama socialism I might get behind.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090424/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_college_costs

[catphish]

I think you'd be able to hear better in front of it.

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I think you'd be able to hear better in front of it.

 

 

I don't stand in front of liberals. It's just too inviting of a target.

[rpsands]

A couple of ugly, mismatched, undersized cabinets (with no amp I can see)? *confused*

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A couple of ugly, mismatched, undersized cabinets (with no amp I can see)? *confused*

 

Oops, fixed.

[rpsands]

Lowalla. So you want us taxpayers to buy you an amp, is that it?

[rpsands]

Please submit form XI71028Q10 to department J371B at building F9. There is a teller available from 9:35am to 11:35am, but she may be on lunch/break/smoking break/tetris break/or minesweeper break, so arrive early.

[lug]

Lowalla. So you want us taxpayers to buy you an amp, is that it?

 

I'm An American! You All Owe Me Something!

[JeffBass]

Liberals created a perfect system. Keep jacking up the price of college costs, then make people pay interest on the loans from the GOVERNMENT. What a deal.

Here's a idea, keep the costs down by keeping salaries and benefits in line with the private sector.

[lug]

 

Liberals created a perfect system. Keep jacking up the price of college costs, then make people pay interest on the loans from the GOVERNMENT. What a deal. Here's a idea, keep the costs down by keeping salaries and benefits in line with the private sector.

 

 

For me, a better solution is to make public colleges just like high schools, actually publicly funded. Make a lot more sense than 1/2 the stuff we publicly fund now. At least we end up with a better educated population and wealth isn't a discriminating factor on how far some can go in school. Get more for our money than many things we currently fund.

[ThudMaker]

For me, a better solution is to make public colleges just like high schools, actually publicly funded. Make a lot more sense than 1/2 the stuff we publicly fund now. At least we end up with a better educated population and wealth isn't a discriminating factor on how far some can go in school. Get more for our money than many things we currently fund.

I'd like to see the colleges teach the subjects that the student needs to learn to be in the sector they plan on for their career instead of wasting 2 years of general studies that don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

[anothertxn]

 

Liberals created a perfect system. Keep jacking up the price of college costs, then make people pay interest on the loans from the GOVERNMENT. What a deal. Here's a idea, keep the costs down by keeping salaries and benefits in line with the private sector.

 

 

Private sector generally offers more cash, while the public sector tends to pay less but offer better benefits and more stability. I fail to see the problem...

[zachoff]

 

I'd like to see the colleges teach the subjects that the student needs to learn to be in the sector they plan on for their career instead of wasting 2 years of general studies that don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

 

Those schools do exist... They're called trade schools.

 

IMO, college has always been as much (if not more) about expanding your knowledge/horizons as it is learning what you need for a trade.

[Les_Izzmor]

 

I'd like to see the colleges teach the subjects that the student needs to learn to be in the sector they plan on for their career instead of wasting 2 years of general studies that don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

 

Those first two years are a way of weeding out those who can't handle the more difficult last two years. Plus it also sets the basis for the 400 level classes you take later on.

 

My freshman year I had classes with hundreds of students. By my Jr. and Sr. year it was down to 30 at the most. I had classes with 9-10 too.

 

Imagine if everybody started at the specialized level. There's no way I'd want to take Econ. 451 with 300 people and never taken an economics class in my life.

[In Absentia]

 

I'd like to see the colleges teach the subjects that the student needs to learn to be in the sector they plan on for their career instead of wasting 2 years of general studies that don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

 

Geez, dude....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I've ever agreed with you so much in my life. My wife is from Britain, and is perplexed by our system of learning stuff you don't need. Explain to me why Spanish is essential to political science. You can't, because it isn't. It is the only thing tying me to this {censored}ing town and this {censored}ing university.

 

/rant

[JacieFB]

I'd like to see the colleges teach the subjects that the student needs to learn to be in the sector they plan on for their career instead of wasting 2 years of general studies that don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

I don't think I've ever disagreed more with you, Thud.

 

Seriously, though, English is absolutely necessary. Same for public speaking. Perhaps this is a special case, but we engineers wouldn't get too far in our upper level courses without calculus and differential equations.

 

To your point, though, there is a lot of bull{censored} that goes into a college education, just like high school. From personal experience, due to my college switching from quarters to semesters, I ended up 2 credit hours short in my last semester. My adviser threw me into Intro to Golf. I was on the f'in golf team for 4 years.

[zachoff]

 

Geez, dude.... I don't think I've ever agreed with you so much in my life. My wife is from Britain, and is perplexed by our system of learning stuff you don't need. Explain to me why Spanish is essential to political science. You can't, because it isn't. It is the only thing tying me to this {censored}ing town and this {censored}ing university. /rant

 

 

Spanish is important to being an American these days... I wish I'd have taken it instead of German.

[JacieFB]

 

Spanish is important to being an American these days... I wish I'd have taken it instead of German.

 

 

+1 Hell of a lot of good 3 years of French have done me. The only thing it gets me is embarassed when I have to explain to folks that, no, I don't actually speak French after my mother-in-law has proudly announced that both her son-in-law and her daughter-in-law speak French. Ouch.

[rpsands]

I would never advocate skipping over general studies. The two year liberal arts program known as 'general studies' makes well rounded people (when done right). It's more important to me that people be human beings who can think and reason than it is for them to be workers.

 

It'd be nice if they worked too though

[Craig Vecchione]

Oops, fixed.

 

 

I'd just like the state for the record that your first link was better.

[Craig Vecchione]

 

Spanish is important to being an American these days... I wish I'd have taken it instead of German.

 

 

Neither will do you a lick of good in Beijing.

[burdizzos]

I would never advocate skipping over general studies. The two year liberal arts program known as 'general studies' makes well rounded people (when done right). It's more important to me that people be human beings who can think and reason than it is for them to be workers. It'd be nice if they worked too though

 

Yeah, that's great. I work with a pair of engineers that are very much in touch with their feelings and know how to conduct themselves with tremendous professional grace. Unfortunately, they couldn't design a potato gun between the two of them in less than six months. On the other hand, I have a group of guys working for me that have only tech school and OJT backgrounds that can design and build devices and systems that the engineers would take weeks to comprehend.

 

While I'm all for a well rounded education, most people get the most out of the general studies type classes when they aren't simply filling a block on a degree curriculum.

[catphish]

 

Neither will do you a lick of good in Beijing.

 

 

Forget Beijing. Stay ahead of the curve and worry about Nepal.

[Bassin' 'Round]

 

Liberals created a perfect system. Keep jacking up the price of college costs, then make people pay interest on the loans from the GOVERNMENT. What a deal. Here's a idea, keep the costs down by keeping salaries and benefits in line with the private sector.

 

...you got it...colleges & universities have acted criminally (too bad there isn't a formal law) with their constant out-of-this-world increases that make health care increases look positively tame...

[FreestyleIntruder]

As a feudalist, I think this is a {censored} idea. The serfs should know their place. Education fills their head with stupid and dangerous ideas that could upset the status quo

 

{censored}ing liberals "rolleyes"