Members petejt Posted August 6, 2009 Members Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hi folks, I just read in HCFX about running a bass amp in stereo with a guitar amp, for electric guitar. I'm currently seeking out stereo poweramps for my wet/dry rig, and I am now interested in what good quality bass stereo poweramps are available out there.I am interested in both valve and solid-state, so please post your recommendations & advice, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perrydabassman Posted August 6, 2009 Members Share Posted August 6, 2009 Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Most any PA power maplifier will do-QSC PLX/RMX, Crest, Crown, Stewart, etc.. There aren't that many (if any nowadays!) production bass-specific power amps out there. Aguilar had one, Demeter had one, I'm sure a few others, but those are both d/c'd. Most people just use some of the PA-style amps mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Thanks for the input guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 7, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 7, 2009 Could you post a link to the thread in HCFX? There isn't one jumping out at me that screams stereo power amp advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Could you post a link to the thread in HCFX? There isn't one jumping out at me that screams stereo power amp advice. http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2399020 The thread is about running a bass amp in stereo with a guitar amp. Since I'm setting up a wet/dry rig, and need a stereo poweramp to run the 4x12 cab, I am looking for a stereo bass poweramp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Why does a guitarist need a bass rig if he has a bass player...? That's what he's kinda there for. I'm lost here. I can understand bassists doing it for FX/drive purposes or to add a little crunch, but this is a first for me, gotta say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Since I'm setting up a wet/dry rig, and need a stereo poweramp to run the 4x12 cab, I am looking for a stereo bass poweramp. A power amp is just...a power amp: it amplifies. What are you looking to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rumblejohn Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Eden WT 800 is the standard others are judged byhttp://www.eden-electronics.com/products/amps/indiv/wt800c.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Why does a guitarist need a bass rig if he has a bass player...? That's what he's kinda there for. I'm lost here. I can understand bassists doing it for FX/drive purposes or to add a little crunch, but this is a first for me, gotta say! I don't know, I just read that running a bass amp alongside a guitar amp was a great sound, so I'm asking for advice here. I guess a bass amp will give a fuller sound for guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 A power amp is just...a power amp: it amplifies.What are you looking to achieve? I thought poweramps were slightly different for guitar and bass? I'm just interested to know why the thread I stated was raging on about running bass amps with guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 7, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 7, 2009 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2399020The thread is about running a bass amp in stereo with a guitar amp.Since I'm setting up a wet/dry rig, and need a stereo poweramp to run the 4x12 cab, I am looking for a stereo bass poweramp.That's an interesting way of running a stereo guitar signal. I used to run my bass rig in stereo, technically, using an a/b/y box. The straight, clean bass signal went to an eden bass amp/cab (mono). The other portion of the split ran into a pedal board consisting of a trace elliot eq pedal to cut the lows, an OD pedal and a chorus pedal into a Marshall JCM600 head and cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 I don't know, I just read that running a bass amp alongside a guitar amp was a great sound, so I'm asking for advice here.I guess a bass amp will give a fuller sound for guitar? I've personally never seen it.If you were playing with keys, drums and guitar with no bass, I guess?But all that's going to do is interfere and cancel out frequencies from one another.Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members birdboy7007 Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 I thought poweramps were slightly different for guitar and bass?I'm just interested to know why the thread I stated was raging on about running bass amps with guitar. Preamps are very different for guitars or basses. Power amps are power amps. What you could do is just Y-off your signal, send one to a guitar amp and the other to some sort of standard bass amp, if you really wanted to. Or just run a both a bass cab and a guitar cab off of your guitar head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpsands Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 If there's a bass player in your band, he's going to beat you up if you octave down and run all over his signal. That said, guitar through a power amp is going to sound like nails on glass and there's no reason to do it unless you want to octave down and run through a bass cab, and that'll require an octaver of course. If you want a wet/dry guitar mix, in stereo, then get a stereo guitar cab or two guitar cabs and a stereo guitar power amp (all tube preferably, like the Mesa / Peavey / Carvin models out there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 If there's a bass player in your band, he's going to beat you up if you octave down and run all over his signal.That said, guitar through a power amp is going to sound like nails on glass and there's no reason to do it unless you want to octave down and run through a bass cab, and that'll require an octaver of course.If you want a wet/dry guitar mix, in stereo, then get a stereo guitar cab or two guitar cabs and a stereo guitar power amp (all tube preferably, like the Mesa / Peavey / Carvin models out there). Exactly. I don't really get that/this. They make t00b mapz that go "lower" for this reason if you need some extra chunk in the low end. But a bass rig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 There's nothing really magical about a bass preamp: it's just going to have its eq voiced for bass. All you need my brutha is a decent parametric eq in front of a guitar amp. Hell, a cabinet voiced for bass is probably gonna have more impact on your sound than just futzing around with eq settings or using a bass amp. A word of advice: good bedroom/solo guitar tone is not good tone in a band mix. I'm sure you love that brown sound and all of that extra OOMPH in there, but you might as well fire your bass player, cuz no one is going to hear him in the mix. If I were you, I'd spend less time trying to take your bedroom tone into a band situation and more time trying to find a tone that sits well in the mix. But to do that, you have to be willing to hear the whole band mix and not just yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members birdboy7007 Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hell, a cabinet voiced for bass is probably gonna have more impact on your sound than just futzing around with eq settings or using a bass amp. I'm leaning that way myself, the more I think about it. Easy solution too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted August 7, 2009 Members Share Posted August 7, 2009 I'm leaning that way myself, the more I think about it. Easy solution too. Yup. Ever plugged a bass rig into a guitar cab like a marshall straight-back 4x10? Doesn't sound so much like a bass rig anymore, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 What you could do is just Y-off your signal, send one to a guitar amp and the other to some sort of standard bass amp, if you really wanted to. Or just run a both a bass cab and a guitar cab off of your guitar head. I think that is what was done in the HCFX thread. So I don't need a full bass amp (just a separate poweramp), I was wondering if a bass poweramp would impart similar qualities. Going by your explanation, I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 I'm leaning that way myself, the more I think about it. Easy solution too. What about two 200 watt 12" EV speakers in a converted 4x12 guitar cab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 If there's a bass player in your band, he's going to beat you up if you octave down and run all over his signal.That said, guitar through a power amp is going to sound like nails on glass and there's no reason to do it unless you want to octave down and run through a bass cab, and that'll require an octaver of course.If you want a wet/dry guitar mix, in stereo, then get a stereo guitar cab or two guitar cabs and a stereo guitar power amp (all tube preferably, like the Mesa / Peavey / Carvin models out there). I didn't say I was sending the guitar signal directly through the poweramp. The external poweramp receives a split signal from the effects loop of the main guitar amp. I've got a stereo guitar cab, and that in itself will run in stereo with another guitar cab. I'm just wondering if using a bass-specific poweramp will be useful, but I guess not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 A word of advice: good bedroom/solo guitar tone is not good tone in a band mix. I'm sure you love that brown sound and all of that extra OOMPH in there, but you might as well fire your bass player, cuz no one is going to hear him in the mix. If I were you, I'd spend less time trying to take your bedroom tone into a band situation and more time trying to find a tone that sits well in the mix. But to do that, you have to be willing to hear the whole band mix and not just yourself. Why are you assuming that I'm only playing in a bedroom? :poke: It appears that you are being rather pretentious. You don't even know how I set my amp or anything. I just got interested in someone's observation that using a bass amp in stereo with a guitar amp sounded good, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hamer-Bass-Head Posted August 8, 2009 Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 I would think you could get the sound you want running stereo but adding a bass speaker to each side, maybe with a low pass crossover like this on each: http://www.eminence.com/proaudio_crossovers_detail.asp?web_detail_link=PX250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted August 8, 2009 Members Share Posted August 8, 2009 best bass power amp I've used was a SWR stereo 800 can still be had cheap but getting harder to find . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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