Members sickman Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Guys, if you have been following my posts I am in the process of putting together my first PA. I decided to go with JBL PRX stuff. So far I have purchased a pair of 512s and also a Carvin 16 channel powered mixer. Since the band I am playing with doesn't seem to want to use this stuff, I've decided a pair of monitors will be my next purchase. This way, if I happen to get a "side" project going I will atleast have enough equipment (PRXs, mixer, mics, and now monitors) to play some places. The subs are still in the equation down the line. I began looking at powered speakers that could serve as monitors and have basically limited it to these four speakers. Yorkville NX25P - $475 new, 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Doesn't the SRM350 have a thermal problem when used as a monitor? I personally think any of the others will fit the bill perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 PRX-512M. Fantastic monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcastar Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 All the original SRM's had thermal issues. The 350s are fairly quiet though. If you do go that route, buy a pair of 450s... theyre MUCH better. Otherwise, we've gotten fantastic results from our QSC K10s for monitor duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I've been very happy with the NX25P. That price seems kind of high though. http://www.proaudiostar.com/servlet/the-1620/Yorkville/Detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sickman Posted January 28, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 PRX-512M. Fantastic monitor. This would only work if 1 monitor would be enough for a 4 piece band with 2-3 people singing. Do you think one PRX 512 would be suitable for a 4 piece band with multiple singers as a monitor? Buying two more PRXs sounds nice, but anyway I wrap my finger around it it makes no sense from a financial perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I remember reading that, but wasn't sure if it was the SRM450s. Do you think there makes a difference between 10" and 12" speakers? I.e. will a 12" disburse the music further?? Then again anytime someone really needs a monitor they will be on the mic so the monitor would be right there. I have some older 450s. I like them a lot as mains. Lots of good, clear sound. On the floor they overheat every time. I would think the 350s would sound fine as monitors. No idea if they have the same problem or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sickman Posted January 28, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I've been very happy with the NX25P. That price seems kind of high though.http://www.proaudiostar.com/servlet/the-1620/Yorkville/Detail Thanks for the link. How much do they weigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Thanks for the link. How much do they weigh? 45.9 pounds.http://yorkville.com/products.asp?cat=22&type=29&id=338 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Barisaxman2000 Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 We use Mackie 450's at monitors off and on and have NEVER had a thermal problem. Seems hit or miss to me (maybe some bad production runs?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 We use Mackie 450's at monitors off and on and have NEVER had a thermal problem. Seems hit or miss to me (maybe some bad production runs?). Version 1 or 2? How long do you play? It usually takes a few hours before mine shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 This would only work if 1 monitor would be enough for a 4 piece band with 2-3 people singing. Do you think one PRX 512 would be suitable for a 4 piece band with multiple singers as a monitor? Buying two more PRXs sounds nice, but anyway I wrap my finger around it it makes no sense from a financial perspective. The K series from QSC is also good, but maybe your budget is unrealistic for good quality monitors. Do you really want to buy junk? That's what you are going to end up with if you try to buy 2+ powered wedges with $700 IME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 The K series from QSC is also good, but maybe your budget is unrealistic for good quality monitors. Do you really want to buy junk? That's what you are going to end up with if you try to buy 2+ powered wedges with $700 IME. He said $800 - 900. Are you saying NX25Ps are junk? I've never heard that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sickman Posted January 28, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 The K series from QSC is also good, but maybe your budget is unrealistic for good quality monitors. Do you really want to buy junk? That's what you are going to end up with if you try to buy 2+ powered wedges with $700 IME. You don't think I could get a pair of active monitors for $800-900? Are the Yorkville, Mackie, and JBL speakers I listed junk? I thought they are atleast the upper end of the weekend warrior/neighborhood bar type gigs I play. I don't want to buy junk, but I don't want to buy something that really doesn't make sense for $50-150 per man gigs where it will take me 4-5 years to break even. 90% of the time vocals would be the primary purpose of the monitors as the stages, or bar corners, are small enough where you can clearly hear the other instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Can you guess which one I will recommend? It weighs under 30lbs, has the most flexible mixer section, has higher output capability than your other three choices and has excellent clarity, especially in the vocal range. (see my avatar if you need another hint) Only thing I'm not sure of is it's angle when used as a monitor since I haven't tried it as such. The K10 and PRX will sound better, but cost nearly twice as much. In its price range, the Titan 12 is tough to beat. NX25P is excellent also but weighs nearly twice as much and won't get quite as loud. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted January 28, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 Since you already have the 512's, another would be a good idea, and maybe you can scrounge up something cheap and passive to hold you over until you can afford the second. You started off right, may as well stay the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhat Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 We use Mackie 450's at monitors off and on and have NEVER had a thermal problem. Seems hit or miss to me (maybe some bad production runs?). I have some 450s .. never a problem , but then I havent subjected them to extreme outdoor heat ,, and i dont push them hard. I use them in my practice room.... good sounding speaker.. and the price was right. They were blow outs to make room for the new models. I think the thermal issues no doubt are from guys running them out in the extreme heat in the sun and pushing the hell out of them. the machine has not been made that man cannot break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I think the thermal issues no doubt are from guys running them out in the extreme heat in the sun and pushing the hell out of them. the machine has not been made that man cannot break. Indoors, monitors for a karaoke show. On stands we push them hard all night with the band. On the floor, it doesn't take much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Unless you are planning on getting a new mixer right away you might try to find some used passive monitors. Otherwise I would buy another PRX512m for yourself. If the rest of the band sings they should supply their own monitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 The K series from QSC is also good, but maybe your budget is unrealistic for good quality monitors. Do you really want to buy junk? That's what you are going to end up with if you try to buy 2+ powered wedges with $700 IME. I wouldn't consider any of his four choices junk. They're all actually pretty decent IMO - especially for his first PA. There are definitely better choices out there for more $$$, but he could certainly do worse. A PRX 12 is not a bad idea either is he already has some and likes their sound. TO the OP : is there any way you can try or audition any of these speakers? I recommended the Titan because I love its sound and features for my applications, but have not tried them for live sound. Trying them out for yourself is always the best idea... Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Indoors, monitors for a karaoke show. On stands we push them hard all night with the band. On the floor, it doesn't take much. Where do you run the level control at on the 450? When my band use to use them for monitors we had the level at 12:00. We only had thermal issues one time when used as a monitor IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drummer_jay Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 We use Mackie 450's at monitors off and on and have NEVER had a thermal problem. Seems hit or miss to me (maybe some bad production runs?). I hate em! Seems like after 60+ minutes of use, I'd get the thermal light going. Seems to be only when pushing them in the midrange. For example, as a drum monitor (on it's side still) I've never had issues.. mainly pushing vocals... Run guitar though it.. every time she goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry007 Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 You don't think I could get a pair of active monitors for $800-900? Are the Yorkville, Mackie, and JBL speakers I listed junk? I thought they are atleast the upper end of the weekend warrior/neighborhood bar type gigs I play. I don't want to buy junk, but I don't want to buy something that really doesn't make sense for $50-150 per man gigs where it will take me 4-5 years to break even. 90% of the time vocals would be the primary purpose of the monitors as the stages, or bar corners, are small enough where you can clearly hear the other instruments. My guess is: In the neighborhood bar scene, you can get by fine with less than a PRX 512 for monitors. Agedhorse/Craigv, is something like the NX25P really not worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I wouldn't consider any of his four choices junk. They're all actually pretty decent IMO - especially for his first PA. There are definitely better choices out there for more $$$, but he could certainly do worse. A PRX 12 is not a bad idea either is he already has some and likes their sound.TO the OP : is there any way you can try or audition any of these speakers? I recommended the Titan because I love its sound and features for my applications, but have not tried them for live sound. Trying them out for yourself is always the best idea...Al No offense Al but even a cheap POS speaker can usually sound Good with PRE-RECORDED music. For band use not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drummer_jay Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I think the thermal issues no doubt are from guys running them out in the extreme heat in the sun and pushing the hell out of them. the machine has not been made that man cannot break. Same as others.. NEVER had in issue in an upright application... Always while in the monitor form... and always indoors.. winter time etc.. Not near clipping or anything like that either. Just not great for most monitor situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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