Members fu2jobu Posted March 24, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hmm I looked at the JBL VRX 15 vs 18 and there is a huge difference to me (4.42 cu ft for the 15" while 8.02 for the 18"). The PRX618 (18") is the smallest 18 I ran across at 7.9 cu ft. Yorky LS720P (15") is 5.12 cu ft vs the LS608 (18") which is 8.62 cu ft. The LS801P is a whopping 11.71 cu ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badhabit Posted March 24, 2011 Members Share Posted March 24, 2011 well, you could consider a Danley Mini. 76 lbs. though. Dimensions are 24" x 15" x 22.5" http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=TH%20MINIAlso, BagEnd makes a compact 15" speaker, called the S15-D. It's typically used by bass players, but it's 44 lbs and quite small, 19 x 19 v 15. It will only go down to 50 Hz. They also have a compact 18, called the S18E-D, and it weighs 70 lbs and it's dimensions 22 x 22 x 19 http://www.bagend.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted March 24, 2011 Members Share Posted March 24, 2011 http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/product/SL118S/LPI-CABSSL118S/Heres a pretty lightweight passive sub.I have a couple of montiors from these guys that I really like for the weight and the price,and bonus they sound good too!those sound pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 24, 2011 Members Share Posted March 24, 2011 How about 4 cheap plastic subs? Peavey PR Sub, 15" woofer. Only a 300 watt program rating but maybe if you run 4 of them. Just 33.5# each.I actually ended up with four of them. Two do a pretty good job in a smaller club ( . I usually power them at 250W each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Harmonycat Posted March 28, 2011 Members Share Posted March 28, 2011 How about 4 cheap plastic subs? Peavey PR Sub, 15" woofer. Only a 300 watt program rating but maybe if you run 4 of them. Just 33.5# each.Boomerweps Is 33.5 lbs correct? The Peavey website lists them at 42lbs each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 Is 33.5 lbs correct? The Peavey website lists them at 42lbs each. The Peavey website and docs suck and are often outdated. The newer ones have neo drivers and are rated at 400w program (up from 300w for the older ones). I can easily carry two at a time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeff grocki Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 The Peavey website and docs suck and are often outdated. The newer ones have neo drivers and are rated at 400w program (up from 300w for the older ones). I can easily carry two at a time . But you are strong like bull!!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members banddad Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 The JBL VRX 915 would get my vote in your spot. Although, I must admit to having the PRX718's. Good sound, and I can move them on my own, unlike the monster Yorkvilles I had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lifeloverwg Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm going to chime in here with a very strong vote for the Danley TH Mini in your situation. Unless weight is given a highly weighted dominant factor, I think the Mini wins out given all other factors. It's only 4.68 cubic feet compared to the VRX's 4.37 cf, so barely bigger, while giving you an additional 9dB of SPL which is huge if you are thinking of trying to cover 200 people with one sub. In addition, they have virtually the same low frequency response if you ignore JBL's published -3dB and -10dB points on the spec sheet and instead look at their recommended HPF settings and measured frequency charts. The only advantage I can see for the VRX is it's lighter weight at 57lb vs 76lb, but that comes with it's higher cost too due to paying for fly points you aren't using. (At least they were higher back when I bought my Minis, I haven't priced them lately.) Yes, 20lbs heavier weight may be noticed every time you load them in and out, but not near as much as 9dB+ of additional output will be noticed as you try to get by with one sub. We have two Minis in our rig, and I'm not comfortable trying to cover more than about 250 people unless you are talking something like a wedding or other background music type gig. I don't think any single small sub can cover 200 at rock n roll levels. Good luck, Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boomerweps Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 Is 33.5 lbs correct?The Peavey website lists them at 42lbs each. If you go to the peavey website, speakers PR sub and select "download specifications" specifications, it does state 42#. BUT if you select "view product" they list 44# PACKED, 33.4# UNPACKED. I suspect the latter is true. I bought some off brand 15" plastic subs from ebay for an extremely lightweight DJ project,never did use them BUT they are extremely light for their size. Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm going to chime in here with a very strong vote for the Danley TH Mini in your situation.. And they are how much $$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 And they are how much $$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 And they are how much $$$? To be fair, the other box the O.P. is considering is the VRx915s, which I consider comparably priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 To be fair, the other box the O.P. is considering is the VRx915s, which I consider comparably priced. I think Don's comment was with respect to comparing with the PR sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 The Danley would be a great sub if you don't something that goes really low. It is about $1K. It is more sub than its size implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 I think Don's comment was with respect to comparing with the PR sub. Well... the discussion was actually four of them -- which is also almost comparable in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 Well... the discussion was actually four of them -- which is also almost comparable in price. Was thinking of the general comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 I wasn't comparing anything. I just wanted to know the price of the Danley sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted March 29, 2011 Members Share Posted March 29, 2011 Manufacturer's list is about $1300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Two of them mini's powered with an XTI-6000 get pretty damned loud . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnnyGraphic Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Not to derail the Danley topic, but my old JBL MPro 418 subs were about 65 lbs. I put 4" casters on them which made maneuvering them a breeze. Still had to wrangle them into my 4Runner. Since you have a hatchback, lifting up and over the rear bumper is going to be a problem with a bad back. ANY type of lifting like that will be. I had a bulging disk a few years back and the subsequent surgery. It's been about 5 years now and my back in just about to get back to where it won't go out all of the time. When I was fresh off my surgery, I had rented small box trailers to hold my gear. That way, I could just roll my equipment up the ramp. EVERYTHING was on wheels. My heart goes out to you. Hope you can find an adequate solution that won't break your back! Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lifeloverwg Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 And they are how much $$$? Looks to me like the TH Mini is in the same ballpark as the VRX 915S, but according to JBL's specs you'd need 2+ to keep up with one TH Mini which makes it cheap in comparison. I chimed in because the OP stated in his opening post that he wanted a small, light weight sub that could cover up to 200 people and he appears to be OK with the limited low frequency response of small subs and was OK with the price tag as well. Personally, I don't think any single small sub on the market will really cover 200 people, but I guess that depends on ones definition of "cover". The VRX 915S looks to be about the most expensive sub he could choose that still wouldn't meet his stated goals. Unless there are mistakes in it's spec sheet, the only thing it appears to have going for it is it's size, weight and fly points. But I don't see how anybody is going to cover 200 people with a sub that makes 126dB and why one would want to try to do it when for about the same price you can get a similarly sized sub that makes more SPL and that weighs less than two of the VRX. Small, loud and low. Choose any two, except the VRX appears to only offer one.... Winston Winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumstix Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Reading between the lines here, The JBL VRX918SP is the same box and very close to having the same driver as his passive brothers the SRX718/VRX918. Looks like all three have close to the same SPL ratings. That said the VRX-SP is listed as being tested in free space, guessing the Passive VRX is as well. So perhaps the VRX915 sub was tested in free space too. Not really a big deal but if thats the case putting the sub on the floor should yield a few more dbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Reading between the lines here, The JBL VRX918SP is the same box and very close to having the same driver as his passive brothers the SRX718/VRX918. Looks like all three have close to the same SPL ratings. That said the VRX-SP is listed as being tested in free space, guessing the Passive VRX is as well. So perhaps the VRX915 sub was tested in free space too. Not really a big deal but if thats the case putting the sub on the floor should yield a few more dbs. I suspect that the flyable sub is indeed measured in freespace, so add somewhere between 3 and 6dB to the fullspace measurement to get 1/2-space. 6dB is the theoretical differnce but like life, the conversion is not perfect in the real world. Does anybody know what the Danley TH mini is rated into? I would assume 1/2-space unless otherwise stated since it's not designed to be flown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Does anybody know what the Danley TH mini is rated into? I would assume 1/2-space unless otherwise stated since it's not designed to be flown. It is available with flypoints (install version) or handles (portable version). Both versions are, I believe, the same price. Measurement is in 1/2 space. As a whole, The VRX stuff doesn't seem to bring crushing performance for the price. What it does bring is really slick packaging, a modular configuration that scales, and an all-in-the-box-engineered-and-tuned turnkey system approach. Good stuff, but I don't see how any of that helps our original poster in his needs. Sounds like the 15 in it's little box is one of few he feels comfortable lifting. If that's the criteria, it all sounds good to me, regardless of the small premium paid on price versus performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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