Members soulvillemusic Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I would definitely be worried about reliability if it was a mission critical situation. As a guy in a band running my own sound I'm not overly concerned because my main issue is getting a good sound check and from there I rarely touch the board. At this price point I'm going to take a chance on it and see how goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soulvillemusic Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I wonder if it would still pass audio if the iPad does crap out. One would think they've thought of that issue when designing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I'm sure it'd still pass audio; my concern would be if a feedback event started happening while the iPad was crapped out. It looks like it's got gain controls on the unit anyway, so you could always manipulate using that, provided you didn't stick it on stage to avoid bringing out your snake like I'm sure I would be doing. Agedhorse, it's pretty obvious that this stuff isn't for the league of bands you're running. I think it's very interesting right now that the "little guys" are the ones getting all the new, interesting stuff. It's not reliable enough to hit the market for the big venues, but the smaller market, where it's not a life-or-death situation, is where they can essentially try these things out. Interesting times. Completely the opposite of previous, when the big boards would do the fancy stuff and it'd slowly trickle down into mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 Andy, I am with you on the closed architecture. I need a network, but I bring my own and there is nothing else on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 Being able to walk back to the bar, walk to the manager, say "Everything sound okay to you?", hearing "Can you bring it down a little?", and bringing a fader down on your wirelessly-connected iPad just sounds like a goddamn killer feature to me. iPads are cheap; you can get a used one on Craigslist for ~$250 now, if you don't have one already. For what I could sell my MixWiz and giant 14U slant rack case, I could get the Mackie and pay nothing out of pocket. I do this all the time, while recording up to 24 tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted February 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I can already imagine the sonic nightmare going on if band members can control their own monitor mixes. The same nippleheads who need to play loud onstage would probably be wanting their monitors louder. Imagine all the feedback and stagewash possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 Wireless FOH is not a feature, it is a gamble. I can, but I won't. If one of you amps had a realistic possibility of failing mid show without warning, you would replace it. I already can't keep 10 wireless units running trouble free from show to show without serious effort. Why would I want to add FOH to that list if I don't need to? If the PM wants me to turn it down, he knows where to find me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sibyrnes Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 The Mackie does not have to be run wirelessly. It could be left in the dock or even run with a Cat 5 cable, which is much easier to run than a snake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 it is a gamble. Everything is a gamble. Users will simply have to evaluate the risks vs the benefits. I imagine being a wi-fi device it just retransmits if the receiver doesn't understand the message so a command might be delayed a tiny bit. That said, Wi-fi is not a terrible robust system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I need 24 channels..........for me I'd get the Presonus series until something better comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reson8tor Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I can already imagine the sonic nightmare going on if band members can control their own monitor mixes. The same nippleheads who need to play loud onstage would probably be wanting their monitors louder. Imagine all the feedback and stagewash possibilities. Yep, which is why I'd never use that option with my band. But it's just an option, and it might work well if your band is on IEM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I can already imagine the sonic nightmare going on if band members can control their own monitor mixes. The same nippleheads who need to play loud onstage would probably be wanting their monitors louder. Imagine all the feedback and stagewash possibilities. Just because I have a compressor on every channel, every aux, every subgroup, and the mains doesn't mean that I'm going to use it on everything. The same as having the ability to let band members remotely control the monitor mixes, it doesn't mean I'm going to let them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soulvillemusic Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 The Mackie does not have to be run wirelessly. It could be left in the dock or even run with a Cat 5 cable, which is much easier to run than a snake. How do you run CAT5 into an iPad? I don't have mine in front of me but I don't think it has a port. Speaking of all this network stuff, what do you guys think the maximum range would between the router and an iPad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 That said, Wi-fi is not a terrible robust system. Understatement alert!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I live in a 4 level split... I had the SL & N-Band router in the basement. 4 levels higher in my bedroom I was still able to control it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I live in a 4 level split...I had the SL & N-Band router in the basement. 4 levels higher in my bedroom I was still able to control it. What kind of outside interference? This is something that you can not control, you have to adapt around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 True. I haven't had any issues yet. Of course, I'm in a little hellhole of a town, 10,000 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 I'm in a little hellhole of a town, 10,000 people. ... a huge benefit with regards to 2.4GHz wireless. Try the same thing in a downtown metropolitan venue and you might have a completely different (and unfulfilling) experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 1, 2012 Members Share Posted February 1, 2012 ... a huge benefit with regards to 2.4GHz wireless. Try the same thing in a downtown metropolitan venue and you might have a completely different (and unfulfilling) experience. True, the N-Band has 5Ghz as well... One of these... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 I lie in a suburban area of about 1M people. Within a 20 mile radius of me, I have have 20 MAJOR military installations. One of them is the world's largest naval base. It houses 5 carriers and all the extra ships that support them. Camp Peary (CIA "The Farm" is about 15 minutes from me. The club I did the other night is in the middle of all this is also in the middle of a commercial area. We have played it before without issue. They just added two new buildings in that area. One is a new FBI building and the other is Homeland Security installation. So at load in I dial in my normal freqs and turn on the mics only to see regular intermittent RF spiking on every unit. No big deal I thought. These AT3000s have 1200 channels to pick from. They also have three groups of compatible freqs that can auto-scan. I only need 4 mic channels and 5 IEM channels if I condense things down. So.....I start the scan.Not one channel in first group.Not one channel in second group.Not one channel in third group. 1200 freqs and not one free from interference at this location.Wireless software with FCC database says I easily have 30 channels to pick from. Software is wrong.I did make it through with careful use of the software, trial and error in selection of least interference, and judicious use of squelch. It was touch and go.....If I can't find one in 1200 wireless channels, I am not looking for wifi to be my choice for FOH. I don't want ANY wireless control anywhere near my system for any reason. No walking around the room with an iPad or a laptop. I stay on cat5 and USB only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sibyrnes Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 How do you run CAT5 into an iPad? I don't have mine in front of me but I don't think it has a port. With one of these, for example: http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=1504&sku=39998&cm_guid=4-_-5456479782-_-383523704-_-b&cm_mmc=Microsoft-_-USB+and+Firewire-_-usb+ethernet-_-usb%20ethernet%20adapter_b&s_kwcid=TC-23202-5456479782-b-383523704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phil Clark Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 With one of these, for example:http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=1504&sku=39998&cm_guid=4-_-5456479782-_-383523704-_-b&cm_mmc=Microsoft-_-USB+and+Firewire-_-usb+ethernet-_-usb%20ethernet%20adapter_b&s_kwcid=TC-23202-5456479782-b-383523704 That is the wrong kind of USB for the ipad. You would instead need something more like this... http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/iphone/rj-45-connector-for-idevices.xhtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sibyrnes Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 That is the wrong kind of USB for the ipad. You would instead need something more like this...http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/iphone/rj-45-connector-for-idevices.xhtml That's cool. I don't yet have an Ipad, so I thought it had standard USB connectors. Apparently it just has the same connector as my iPhone. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soulvillemusic Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 It says that cable is only 6'. Hopefully there is an adapter out there somewhere you can use whatever length CAT5 cable you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sibyrnes Posted February 2, 2012 Members Share Posted February 2, 2012 It also says it is to communicate with Cisco routers and will not connect to ethernet. Oh, well, I guess wifi is your only choice with an iPad - so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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