Members RoadRanger Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by tlbonehead Why would he do electrical discharge machining at a gig? It's the newest thing in performance art - yous guys gotta keep up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by Pro Sound Guy Chest thumping? Single 18" per side? 100db stage volume/rock band? NoYou would have a better start with dual 18"s per side. Chest thumping on the dance floor and at 25' or so no prob with a pair of properly powered 18's. Not chest crushing but you can feel it. Heck, I got some chest thumping out of a pair of 15" PRSubs last Saturday (center clustered and 2x RMS ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by StratGuy22 There's no money below 45Hz If DJing EDM that often has 25Hz bass drops . I installed a MaxBass unit in a dance club once where they kept blowing their Cerwin Vega folded horn subs - you can now hear the bass drops and they haven't blown a sub in 5 years . OTOH the Ampeg 'fridge only goes down to 58 Hz I think - so for classic R&R you can get away with 45 Hz subs no prob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by RoadRanger If DJing EDM that often has 25Hz bass drops . I installed a MaxBass unit in a dance club once where they kept blowing their Cerwin Vega folded horn subs - you can now hear the bass drops and they haven't blown a sub in 5 years . OTOH the Ampeg 'fridge only goes down to 58 Hz I think - so for classic R&R you can get away with 45 Hz subs no prob. Do you reproduce kick and keys with an SVT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by agedhorse Do you reproduce kick and keys with an SVT? I could if I had to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 4, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by tlbonehead how many? (2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 4, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by Unalaska Electronic dance music? 300? No. Start looking at dual 18s and not crazy power. If you're DJing a high school dance a pair of qsc's will do fine. If its at an old warehouse and there's a $20 cover then no, you should be looking at a pair of dual 18's powered at or below RMS (EDM is usually played so loud it causes ED). Hope that helps. What should the dualies be power at?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 4, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by StratGuy22 There's no money below 45Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pro Sound Guy Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by bigfatskinny What should the dualies be power at?Thanks Get the SUB RMS power rating and go with 1.5X to 2X the RMS rating for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by Pro Sound Guy Get the SUB RMS power rating and go with 1.5X to 2X the RMS rating for power. IMO for non pro users, especially without the proper protective processing, powering at the rms rating is much safer and the difference in Max spl is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 4, 2012 CMS Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by RoadRanger Chest thumping on the dance floor and at 25' or so no prob with a pair of properly powered 18's. Not chest crushing but you can feel it. Heck, I got some chest thumping out of a pair of 15" PRSubs last Saturday (center clustered and 2x RMS ). That's because the chest thump is above 100Hz. You need good subs, and good low mids to handle a kick drum for feel as well as hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 If you got the cash use a pair of these 1000 watters http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/produ...-horns/th-115/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 Originally Posted by Craigv That's because the chest thump is above 100Hz. You need good subs, and good low mids to handle a kick drum for feel as well as hear. As I implied above, you don't need I don't think it adds much if anything to most live music . YMMV - Void where prohibited . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted October 4, 2012 Members Share Posted October 4, 2012 It depends entirely on the application, the program and the skill of the operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 5, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 Originally Posted by twostone If you got the cash use a pair of these 1000 watters http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/produ...-horns/th-115/ but dam 150lbs each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 5, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 It depends entirely on the application, the program and the skill of the operator. I'm here asking you guys cuz I have no skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 provide chest thumping kick Yorkvilles' LS801P will give you that, without breaking a sweat, and the tone is variable to suit your tastes. I like to dial out the "fat", and I not only get the "chest-thump", but also that "slap you in the cheeks/eye-lids" impact for kick-drum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 I'm here asking you guys cuz I have no skills Then you may need to adjust your expectations somewhat, and you may not need much of the additional extension that I was talking about. The additional extension is more of a "big boy tool", used properly it can really add to the audience experience but too often it's slathered on like there's no tomorrow and ends up being a big negative. How important is cost, size and weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pro Sound Guy Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 That's because the chest thump is above 100Hz. You need good subs, and good low mids to handle a kick drum for feel as well as hear.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 I think I'm gonna try my two 2x12 bass cabs as subs next gig - 34 lbs each . They are 4 ohm @ 600wrms each, the IPR3000 should get 'em cookin' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 Dual 12"'s and 34 lbs???? What are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigfatskinny Posted October 5, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 Then you may need to adjust your expectations somewhat, and you may not need much of the additional extension that I was talking about. The additional extension is more of a "big boy tool", used properly it can really add to the audience experience but too often it's slathered on like there's no tomorrow and ends up being a big negative. How important is cost, size and weight? #1. Cost#2. Size#3. Weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 Dual 12"'s and 34 lbs?? ?? What are they? GK 212MBE http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/12868-mbeseries.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 GK 212MBE http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/12868-mbeseries.pdf Don't forget to HPF them around 50Hz, 24dB/octave BW and respect the substantial real world power limitations. I suspect that you will be less than pleased with the results, very much less... drivers in bass guitar cabinets are choosen based on factors beyond just LF response... in fact that may be one of the lesser important features. Since bass guitar has a lot of content >100Hz and even >1000Hz, this factors gretly into the design choices, that are at odds with the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted October 5, 2012 Members Share Posted October 5, 2012 GK 212MBE http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/12868-mbeseries.pdf coooooowelll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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