Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Actually it's important for you and others to know that I don't have a short fuse at all ... I'm the laughing Buddha! When I call somebody a {censored} I'm usually laughing in a gentle way --- Ahhhhhhhh ... Whereas I'm Googling your {censored} and buying plane tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by utterhack Yes. Either that, or demanding that someone cut down all these goddamn trees so we can put a proper forest in. Ahhhh - SO!But seriously - you are well wrong and way off the mark on this one. Don't call my conviction of my belief a sham based on my sometime impish nature. This is the real thing I'll have you know. I can't repeat what has already been repeated. This is a red herring; what can be captured has nothing to do with the "unrepresentative clips" issue. As erksin, endo and yrs truly have pointed out, the issue is what's recorded, not how well.I agree entirely - I said that already and infact I said that the more simple the recording the more honest will be the result of what goes to the media. An amp and guitar and pedal on their own recorded with a simple home system will not hide the facts --- unlike pro studio compression and a mix! So that's that one dealt with once again. The less a pedal takes over your tone, the more of an issue this becomes in clips, which are capturing with whatever degree of fidelity a specific combination of pedal/amp/guitar plus settings on all of the above. None of which necessarily tells you what's going on with e.g. force of attack.So you mean to tell me that the Eternity is so subtle on tone that it's barely perceptable in clips? And that this is more about a live viceral experience than a sound thing? Response and attack are now the new narcissism of guitar? I'm not toying here ... I'm serious. How a pedal plays is at least as important as what sounds it can make. And before you invite me to remove the cork from my nostril, note that I'm the author of the current DS-1 appreciation thread How a pedal plays is how it sounds to me ... how it comes out the amp is how it plays is how it records is how it sounds in a clip to me. There really is no magic bullet here ... no missing link. I don't agree with the myth making that goes on with this pedal that's all. The guy playing the clips was {censored}ing competent at the widdly widdly widdly thang ... I heard what sounds the pedal made and listened with extreme isolation headphones and could hear when he clicked the pedal on and off.It's a pedal ... it just didn't impress me. If you want to send me yours for a trial I'd be happy to give it a whirl and I would honestly come and retract my comments if proven wrong when playing it live. stirring {censored}? You have such a low opinion of me sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 Whereas I'm Googling your {censored} and buying plane tickets. Mine personally or generally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Arjae If you want to hear some more clips of it under different settings, here's some I had done a while back alternating between the stock chip and a TL072ACN.Stock Chip, Gain at 9, Tone at 12 TL072ACN Chip, Gain at 9, Tone at 12 Stock Chip, Gain at 12, Tone at 1 TL072ACN Chip, Gain at 12, Tone at 1 Great but the problem here is that these clips don't give an indication of when the pedal is off and then on again ... then there is delay and other ambiguous variables in there. You managed to get some nice tone into a clip though so points for that. How about doing some completely DRY clips and have the beginning of the clips start with the pedal not engaged and then engage it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER So you mean to tell me that the Eternity is so subtle on tone that it's barely perceptable in clips? And that this is more about a live viceral experience than a sound thing? Response and attack are now the new narcissism of guitar? I'm not toying here ... I'm serious. Argh. I walked into that, didn't I? All I can say is, I've played four lovepedal ODs (in alpha order: Balance, COT, Dragon, E), and what distinguishes them from other really good ODs is their dynamic sensitivity. But no worries, the E can indeed be set to generate crushing levels of brewtal gain If you want to send me yours for a trial I'd be happy to give it a whirl and I would honestly come and retract my comments if proven wrong when playing it live.Love to, but unfortunately the recent price increase makes them a bitch to insure When you come to LA though, you're on. Still can't guarantee it'll be your cup of tea. It's definitely no longer a "bang for buck" OD (if it ever was). You have such a low opinion of me sir! TIKI, why you break heart all time?:cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Mine personally or generally? That would be "generally". Way to miss the joke, laughing buddha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER How about doing some completely DRY clips and have the beginning of the clips start with the pedal not engaged and then engage it? This should be the industry standard for ALL clips, along with rig citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 That would be "generally". Way to miss the joke, laughing buddha. No .... I'm still smiling, the joke was my last post which you missed. This is why you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DJLantz444 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 That would be "generally". Way to miss the joke, laughing buddha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Great but the problem here is that these clips don't give an indication of when the pedal is off and then on again ... then there is delay and other ambiguous variables in there. You managed to get some nice tone into a clip though so points for that. How about doing some completely DRY clips and have the beginning of the clips start with the pedal not engaged and then engage it? I can do that for you Tiki. For what it is worth for the time being (since I am at work), the set-up there was Fender California Strat, neck pickup (DiMarzio V.V. Blues) into the E, then Echo Park then stereo out to a pair of Johnson J-Stations set clean on the Blackface model then into a TC Electronic M-One for some reverb. From there it hit the soundcard (Delta 1010) and no other effects or editing was done. I unfortunately have to do my recording direct most of the time since I can't play my Twin at home any time I want. So the J-Stations have proven over the years (of trying every single modeller out there) to give the best results going direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER No .... I'm still smiling I know you are, sweetie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 I know you are, sweetie. Thats a sweet photo of you when young Murch ... nice taste in blouse too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Thats a sweet photo of you when young Murch ... nice taste in blouse too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by utterhack Argh. I walked into that, didn't I? All I can say is, I've played four lovepedal ODs (in alpha order: Balance, COT, Dragon, E), and what distinguishes them from other really good ODs is their dynamic sensitivity. But no worries, the E can indeed be set to generate crushing levels of brewtal gain You think I'm all about Brewtal Gain ... no, no, no ... I'm into all kinds of tone but if the pedal is capable of some crunch also that's great. Would you care though to explain in detail what you take to be the difference in dynamic sensitivity between the E and other units? Love to, but unfortunately the recent price increase makes them a bitch to insure You see, there is a downside to the price hike! When you come to LA though, you're on. Still can't guarantee it'll be your cup of tea. It's definitely no longer a "bang for buck" OD (if it ever was).You think we'll get past the drinking to play with pedals???? TIKI, why you break heart all time? :cry: [ He looker like a man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Thats a sweet photo of you when young Murch ... nice taste in blouse too. You're skilled in a debate, but your trash talking is lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by utterhack ...and now there's water all over my keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 You're skilled in a debate, but your trash talking is lacking. I didn't grow up in any so I let the experts handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Arjae I can do that for you Tiki. For what it is worth for the time being (since I am at work), the set-up there was Fender California Strat, neck pickup (DiMarzio V.V. Blues) into the E, then Echo Park then stereo out to a pair of Johnson J-Stations set clean on the Blackface model then into a TC Electronic M-One for some reverb. From there it hit the soundcard (Delta 1010) and no other effects or editing was done. I unfortunately have to do my recording direct most of the time since I can't play my Twin at home any time I want. So the J-Stations have proven over the years (of trying every single modeller out there) to give the best results going direct. Sounds good ... when can we expect the results of the E sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER I didn't grow up in any so I let the experts handle it. That's better. Unoriginal, but better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Sounds good ... when can we expect the results of the E sessions? Hopefully tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by utterhack Mess with the bull you WILL get the horns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by murch33 That's better. Unoriginal, but better. Unoriginal ... Find it's equal anywhere in the kingdom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Mess with the bull you WILL get the horns! Nothing trumps Charles Nelson Riley, IMO. Are we through yet? This {censored} is silly - I'll buy the first round, no Fosters 'kay Tiki..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arjae Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Mess with the bull you WILL get the horns! Is that what Steve Vai does when he is not keeping his bees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by erksin Nothing trumps Charles Nelson Riley, IMO. Are we through yet? This {censored} is silly - I'll buy the first round, no Fosters 'kay Tiki..? This has been sedate since is started .. I'll mix Martini though, as only I can and spin some lounge music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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