Members erksin Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by amnesiac I think a lot of people these days are looking for low wattage tube amps but tend to also want to get some sweet breakup at lower volumes. Maybe this is one reason to prefer EL84s over the 6V6s. Tweed Champ is a single 6V6, AC-4 is a single EL-84 - I think they're pretty comparable volume-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by erksin Ohai Waldo. Feeling better? Still stuck in bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by mdrake34 Fender has been the main culprit in flooding the market with el84 small amps, they made a {censored} load of blues jr.'s and pro jr.'s, I think this is what aristotle is referring to. Throw in the class 5, night train, tube screamer amps, and it seems like a {censored} load of el84 small amps. Yup - there's a ton of Pro Juniors and Blues Jrs out there. Don't forget all the Vox stuff, which of course is nothing new for them. AC4, AC15, AC30, etc. Also Seymour Duncan (84-40, 84-50), Peavey (Classic 30, Classic 50, Delta Blues, Bravo 112), Crate (the entire V series), I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. Mesa has made a bunch of them too - the Studio 22, Lonestar, Transatlantic, Subway Rocket, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RUExp? Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Aristotle I'm looking for a small combo with more headroom than a Vibro Champ and less than a deluxe reverb. That would be a Princeton Reverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper Still stuck in bed. Flu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Worst amp mistake ever was buying a brand new 84-40 - holy balls did that amp suck. ukesmiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Flu? NAMM-thrax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by erksin Worst amp mistake ever was buying a brand new 84-40 - holy balls did that amp suck. ukesmiley: I had one and I thought it sounded great - they weren't known for their reliability though... never had many problems with mine, but I know a lot of people who did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper NAMM-thrax. Pre-nammthrax, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Lou-Dog Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 I would say go a Princeton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Pre-nammthrax, obviously. If I decide to visit, I am bringing it with me. It WILL be this year's strain of NAMM-thrax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper Folks seem to forget that about 10 years ago there were only a few new production 6V6 tubes available to choose from. This. All there was back in the early 90's were black glass Russian "firecracker" tubes that had a screen dissapation of a nanowatt or something. They'd smoke if you just looked at them funny in a Fender circuit. I remember the Crate "Bloo Vooodoo" being the first "modern" amp to use 6V6 tubes. Even Fender stuck a EL84 in the early versions of the VibroKing because there weren't any good modern manufacture 6V6 tubes. Just what the world needed an easy to distort reverb section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Aaah, the legendary Blue DooDoo. Do Not Want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Kap'n This. All there was back in the early 90's were black glass Russian "firecracker" tubes that had a screen dissapation of a nanowatt or something. They'd smoke if you just looked at them funny in a Fender circuit. I remember the Crate "Bloo Vooodoo" being the first "modern" amp to use 6V6 tubes. Yup. In Champs and vibro-Champs they'd take the cathode caps with 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper If I decide to visit, I am bringing it with me. It WILL be this year's strain of NAMM-thrax! Hand sanitizer and surgical mask - check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper Folks seem to forget that about 10 years ago there were only a few new production 6V6 tubes available to choose from. this-also explains the american big bottle tubes. old glass still is tops to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Aristotle Also, why was 6v6 production so small relative to other tube types? 6V6 production back in the day was bigger than any other power tube in current use*. Don't let anybody fool you, there are zillions of them out there. Virtually every car radio in America had one, as did most console hi-fis. *Other audio power amp tubes like the 50C5 and 50L6 were probably made in larger quantities for series-string five-tube radios, but they're not useful for very many safe guitar amplifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper If I decide to visit, I am bringing it with me. It WILL be this year's strain of NAMM-thrax! hit up zankou chicken if u go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Kap'n 6V6 production back in the day was bigger than any other power tube in current use*. Don't let anybody fool you, there are zillions of them out there. Virtually every car radio in America had one, as did most console hi-fis. *Other audio power amp tubes like the 50C5 and 50L6 were probably made in larger quantities for series-string five-tube radios, but they're not useful for very many safe guitar amplifiers. some of my fav 6v6s r old ford or gm tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lefort_1 Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by The Great Waldo Pepper If I decide to visit, I am bringing it with me. It WILL be this year's strain of NAMM-thrax! Good sir, take care. I am on the tail-end of a 18-day respiratory bug. I can ususlaly shake the in under 3 days, but this one got into the upper bronchii and even gave me a 7 day laryngitis. ...imagine... me, not being able to speak.... patients were ok with the "I got a mask, don't worry" thing, and truthbetold, no a one has reported being sick yet. Anyway, get better. I tried all the fun remedies: scotch, nekkid tequilla shooters, peppermint schnapps and pr0n...nothing worked. Just hunker down and try to burn it out with multiple blankets and clean living. 18 days...sucks clean living will probably cut it down to about 5 or 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Davo17 some of my fav 6v6s r old ford or gm tubes. Philco and Delco tubes are simply relabled from one of the big makers, usually RCA - they made more of them than anybody. This is an RCA So is this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oinkbanana Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 isn't Low wattage & high headrooman oxymoron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted December 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by oinkbanana isn't Low wattage & high headroom an oxymoron? As phil said, it's all in speaker efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by erksin I don't remember many new amps at all in the '80s using tubes much less EL84s, but I get your point and agree to a limited extent. I think a lot of it had to do with the scarcity - remember when EH and GT were pretty much it for tubes and even then replacement stuff was hard to find? If it wasn't a 6L6 or an EL34 you were screwed. I think EL84s took off in the early '90s because everybody was trading in their Mesa Boogies for Voxes and the wave has just remained to this day. I remember tons of tube amps in the 80s. The Marshall 800s, the Fender Twin, Super 60, Dual Showman, Mesa Boogie, Metaltronix, Laney, etc.... I do agree on the 6L6 EL-34 thing, but you could also find old tubes (I used to have an old Ampeg) back then for a lot less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zooey Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Absolutely - but more modern amps (from the past 15-20 years or so) in the low wattage range (4-20W) seem to be EL84 based, rather than 6V6 based. When I started buying tube amps in the nineties, you had a choice between Russian equivalents that couldn't handle Fender plate voltages and relabeled 6L6s that didn't sound particularly like 6V6s. That was basically it for current production 6V6s. That probably discouraged most builders. There was no viable current production 6V6 when the Blues Jr. (for example) went into production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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