Members BTBAM Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 If it doesn't say Z.Vex....it's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 Most clones usually have a little originality to the design of the enclosure. is that an oxymoron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L_Z_nut Posted November 20, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 is that an oxymoron? very probably. This person hasn;t done any work besides "copy and paste" other peoples work from the web though... that's just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 fact is, providing the maker uses the correct parts they WILL sound the same, or no different than any two zvex ones anyways.BUT, they look like {censored} and i wouldnt support a guy who does this kinda thing...same reason i wont buy BMP clones,ts808 clones and fuzzface clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keith SIO Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 they do sound identical tho, ive built a ffct using that same layout as this site uses and its spot on to my zvex one, id expect no less obviously as its the same circuit. Oh I was under the impression that it was a really poorly managed company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keith SIO Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 If it doesn't say Z.Vex....it's not! Damn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 Oh I was under the impression that it was a really poorly managed company. what? what about the company? i'm talking about the circuit, it works correctly.the guy even uses wima caps buy the look of it, they are about as high quality as ya can get an zvex dont even use em.imo theyre nothing special anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members placebo62 Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 funny thing is, there are dozens of posts here every day about clones. Nobody bats an eye lid when we're talking about a Muff clone, or Big Cheese clone, tube screamer or any of the other clone. why should it be any different for zvex pedals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keith SIO Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 what? what about the company? i'm talking about the circuit, it works correctly.the guy even uses wima caps buy the look of it, they are about as high quality as ya can get an zvex dont even use em.imo theyre nothing special anyways. What I meant to say is I judged their circuits based on their website, which has typos and errors everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 oh yea i see.theres no reason by the look of the circuits to believe they wont sound identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 why should it be any different for zvex pedals? It's a very good question, and one for which I fear there is really no cut and dried answer. I'm not an attorney, and so I can't speak to the legal issues with any authority. From my limited understanding, it is possible to go too far with the "look and feel" and infringe that way, or on a trademarked name. Circuit design is apparently a bit more of a gray area, especially when dealing internationally. How I personally feel about it (FWIW - just my own POV) is that if the original is still available and for sale from the original company (or someone who bought the rights to the original), then I usually will buy that. If I get something custom built, it's usually a one-off, with specific features I want that are not available on the originals. For example, Dan Armstrong's original Orange Squeezers are no longer in production (at least not in the original format, with the original circuit). The originals also were not in pedal format, and lacked an external volume and bias control - features I definitely wanted. Under those circumstances, I don't feel bad about building myself a modified clone for my personal use, or even paying someone to build it for me. However, I would NOT feel comfortable with buying a direct cosmetic and circuit clone (or a pseudo-clone) of something that is currently in production just to "save a few bucks". That, to me, is crossing the line. I'd feel the same way about a ZVex clone, or E13 Clone, or Subdecay clone or a Boss clone. It doesn't matter who the original company was. If it's still in production, and I'm not looking for an intentionally modified / different feature set, I'll get the original. I wouldn't be particularly interested in a B______er clone or "lookalike" of a EHx or Boss pedal. I'd rather have the original. YMMV, and I can understand that... but that's how I basically feel on the issue. It's up to each of you to decide how you feel about it, and then vote with your wallets. Personally, I want to support the companies who work hard at developing new and innovative products, not just people who are trying to "cash in" on the work of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members placebo62 Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 why should it be any different for zvex pedals? It's a very good question, and one for which I fear there is really no cut and dried answer. I'm not an attorney, and so I can't speak to the legal issues with any authority. From my limited understanding, it is possible to go too far with the "look and feel" and infringe that way, or on a trademarked name. Circuit design is apparently a bit more of a gray area, especially when dealing internationally. How I personally feel about it (FWIW - just my own POV) is that if the original is still available and for sale from the original company (or someone who bought the rights to the original), then I usually will buy that. If I get something custom built, it's usually a one-off, with specific features I want that are not available on the originals. For example, Dan Armstrong's original Orange Squeezers are no longer in production (at least not in the original format, with the original circuit). The originals also were not in pedal format, and lacked an external volume and bias control - features I definitely wanted. Under those circumstances, I don't feel bad about building myself a clone, or even paying someone to build it for me. However, I would NOT feel comfortable with buying a direct cosmetic and circuit clone (or a pseudo-clone) of something that is currently in production just to "save a few bucks". YMMV, and I can understand that... but that's how I basically feel on the issue. What if the clone was more expensive? using better quality components? I dunno man, I mean...I'll buy a Skreddy Mayo (Muff clone) or a Foxrox Hot Silicon (Fuzz Face) without a worry, as would many other people. Cloners offer an alternative, be it in quality or price. Many people here make a living from that, I dont see why zvex should be some untouchable pedal maker. Its no different to the GAP selling designs copied from origainal designers like Prada or whatever. Its part of the territory. The same thing goes for amps (how many marshall clones are out there?) and guitars (strat clone anyone?) I dont mean to be pissing on Zvex, its just the example in question. I like Zach, he seems like good people, I often listen to his honey-toned gear demos to get to sleep at night. I'm just calling this how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 if you use clones off ts808s,ff etc but have a problem with these clones then your a hypocrite!if you have no problem with any clone then your not a hypocrite, what you are is to be determined tho imo!if you have problems with all clones you are not a hypocrite! pretty simple, but you cant pick and choose because it dont work like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uma Floresta Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 I think there is a Brazilian website offering FF clones too. For a while Pro Tone was selling something that looked very much like an FF, but I didn't see it last time I looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uma Floresta Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 Man, their FF kit works out to $109 US. You could get everything including enclosure for much less from Small Bear. Kind of a rip off if you're an American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BTBAM Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 but zvex has trolls that live in his pedals. they don't have ANYTHING magical in their pedals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 Man, their FF kit works out to $109 US. You could get everything including enclosure for much less from Small Bear. Kind of a rip off if you're an American. yep, and a few quid more gets you a vexter ffct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members olejason Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 I'll admit I find the wooly mammoth clone interesting. It's a pedal I've always wanted to try but not something I'd use enough to justify paying $300+ for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keith SIO Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 I'll admit I find the wooly mammoth clone interesting. It's a pedal I've always wanted to try but not something I'd use enough to justify paying $300+ for it. used mine tons when i had it, but it is a lot of $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 wait till there is a behringer clone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members olejason Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 haha I doubt behringer will ever clone the mammoth. If any major company ever clones a zvex pedal it will be the fuzz the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 I'll admit I find the wooly mammoth clone interesting. It's a pedal I've always wanted to try but not something I'd use enough to justify paying $300+ for it.Huge +1 to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opultaM Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 hey does anyone remember those...spanish clones? maybe they were south american? clever names... bieke... maybe? am i nutz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sdresdre Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 if there was a goatkepper clone i would be all over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members olejason Posted November 20, 2007 Members Share Posted November 20, 2007 the lightfoot labs guy should hire someone to help him make goatkeepers when the new version comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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