What has happened to the US ??

[charliedango]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe Ann Coulter is RIGHT! you can't have a decent discussion with liberals...truly, a waste of time.

The same can be said for discussions with right wing conservatives and fundamentalist Christians. You can't have a discussion with someone who angers at the mere mention of an opposing opinion. Liberal and conservative alike.

[outtahear]

Originally posted by charliedango I've read of mothers microwaving their babies because they wouldn't stop crying here in the states, W

Hell, even moral, christian Moms in good right wing christian, Moral States like Texas, have been known to drown their 5 children, one at a time, in the bathtub she bathed the 'lil {censored}ers in. All because God came and told her to! And, really...if God told her, who are we..........

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by Mood Sphinx O RLY?? Name ONE that supports your assertions. here ya go....I have dozens more if you are interested??? ACLJ PRESS RELEASE - MAY 7, 1999 ACLJ SECURES FREE SPEECH VICTORY FOR MINNESOTA STATE EMPLOYEE WHO CRITICIZED GAY PRIDE CELEBRATION (Minneapolis, MN) -- The American Center for Law and Justice, a public interest law firm, today announced the State of Minnesota has agreed to remove a reprimand from the personnel file of an employee with the Minnesota Department of Health who expressed his opposition to the state's promotion of the homosexual life-style and agenda. "This is an important victory for free speech in the workplace," said Francis J. Manion, Senior Regional Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice - Midwest, who handled the case. "The law is clear that government employees have the right to express their opinions on matters of public concern. We are very pleased that we were able to safeguard the free speech rights of our client." The ACLJ filed a federal lawsuit against the Department of Health in January 1998 on behalf of Eric Brown, a department employee who was reprimanded and threatened with firing after he sent a series of e-mail messages to Department officials stating that he did not believe the homosexual lifestyle should be promoted by the Health Department with the celebration of "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Month" in June 1997. In March of this year, U.S. District Judge John R. Tunheim ruled that Brown's e-mail messages, although strongly worded and highly critical, did not constitute harassment. At the same time, the court held that Health Department officials "cannot suppress employee expression on a public concern simply because the views expressed are deeply offensive or contradict the department's stated position." Following the ruling, the two sides began settlement negotiations. The Department has now agreed to remove the reprimand of Brown from his personnel file and to expunge all references to this disciplinary action from all records and files maintained by the Department. The Department also agreed to reimburse the ACLJ-Midwest for the legal expenses incurred in bringing the lawsuit. Manion said: "This was a situation where a government agency was promoting and celebrating - at taxpayer's expense - lifestyles which violate the deeply held religious beliefs of Christians and other people of faith. When Eric Brown expressed his opinion and stated his religious beliefs to his employer, the Department basically told him to shut up or be fired. The action was unacceptable and we are pleased to be able to correct this wrong." The American Center for Law and Justice is an international public interest law firm and educational organization that focuses on pro-family, pro-life, and pro-liberty issues. The ACLJ, which is headquartered in Virginia Beach, Virginia, also defends the First Amendment free speech rights of people of faith. Didn't think so

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by charliedango The same can be said for discussions with right wing conservatives and fundamentalist Christians. You can't have a discussion with someone who angers at the mere mention of an opposing opinion. Liberal and conservative alike.

not 'angry' just doesn't go anywhere... so, true, it ends up being a waste of time for both sides...if nothing is 'learned' that is.

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by outtahear Hell, even moral, christian Moms in good right wing christian, Moral States like Texas, have been known to drown their 5 children, one at a time, in the bathtub she bathed the 'lil {censored}ers in. All because God came and told her to! And, really...if God told her, who are we..........

do you think someone should stop her?

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by outtahear Ann Coulter is the {censored} that tells the football team that the retarded girls parents are out of town, feeds her beer, and tells the police that the football team couldn't have raped her, because they were @ a bible study with her, and it's typical that everyone is jealous, and it's not fair that everyone picks on them, bla, bla, bla, ...................................................................................................Then there is the lowlife half-mongoloids that would actually admire/quote that walking half-bag of syphalis.....

what the heck are you talkin' about...

[tequila_titan]

Don't compare me as an American to some woman who drowns her children, or some Muslim who kills his daughter because she "allowed" herself to be raped. Gimme a break. Hell, what about you Europeans, you guys have done quite well killing each other for centuries.

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe and yet, how ironic that you, sir, fit squarely in the middle of my description of an angry, disrespectful leftist... This thread proves one thing: You cannot legislate morality and you cannot FORCE someone to be respectful of flags or even other's opinions. It's like forcing someone to 'love' you....the action defeats the purpose.

That was not the issue behind this thread.

[evilbuttmuncher]

did anyone watch the colbert report last night it has a couple minutes about the flag burning law thing i found it quite funny.

[indespise]

Originally posted by Ultrahighgain There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

That's great, use a verse from the bible to "prove" that people need it.

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by indespise That's great, use a verse from the bible to "prove" that people need it.

In the beginning God created......

[guitar shmoe]

Originally posted by indespise That was not the issue behind this thread.

re-read the first post and then read my post again...keep doing it until it makes sense...

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe should society legislate morality?...if so? who's morality? Biblical?...majority consensus? left-wing? right-wing?...at some point someone is going to disagree...is there an OBJECTIVE authority that we can appeal to? and a message to the left-wing cry babies: I wonder if it were YOU with a dull knife at YOUR neck, in the hands of a raving lunatic radical muslum whack-job, if it were YOU! I wonder if the last thing going through your mind, as he slices your throat and cuts your head off, would be: "this is wrong! someone should do something to stop these people from subjugating and murdering innocent folks"......you'd be loving your liberators then wouldn't you! trying to equate our liberating troops with these murderous wackos is not accurate. if being a liberal means you can't see the difference...then I'm definitely NOT a liberal.

Do you know what the purpose of terrorism is? It is to incite fear in the general public, allowing the said group to get what they want. Who benefits (uses the fear do do whatever they want) from modern terrorism in the US? Our own government, and people like you simply make their power (public fear) grow. Besides that, your sob decapitation story has NOTHING to do with this discussion, you are using this horse{censored} to try and gain leverage, probably a trick you've learned from watching O"Reily and Hannity.
Also, it's funny that you don't realize how close modern Christianity and Islam are. If you honestly want to prevent the US from becoming more like an Islamic state, then stop trying to push your christian morals on everyone.

[indespise]

Originally posted by charliedango A society can't be judged by a few of it's members, if it were, then the US would be no better than any other nation on this planet. I would equate head-removing insurgents with G.I.'s who mow down innocent civilians for whatever reason. There are those who do the right thing, those that do the wrong thing and those that are simply following orders and believe they aren't responsible for their own actions.

What makes the situation nasty is that what is "the right thing" and "the wrong thing" are both relative. The terrorists honestly belive they are doing God's work, just as the Christains belived they were doing God's work by exterminating untold amounts of "heretics" all throughout the middle ages.

[JamesPeters]

People, people, PEOPLE!!! You've gotten so far off topic, do you even remember what this thread is really about?!?!??

Originally posted by DeathMonkey So I am ordering a Peters Custom Dual Channel it looks like.

It's about me.

[indespise]

Originally posted by telephant Its people like this that are sending our civilization back a 1000 years. And if the first post in this thread is any indication, its seems that is in fact their goal.

And let's think back to what western society was 1000 years ago...... Most of Europe was basically the same as an Islamic fundamentalist state, but Christianity was in power. That's not a world I want to live in.

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by indespise And let's think back to what western society was 1000 years ago...... Most of Europe was basically the same as an Islamic fundamentalist state, but Christianity was in power. That's not a world I want to live in.

I'll tell you a world you DO want to live in--a world with MY AMPS!!!

[indespise]

Originally posted by Skoora Are you sure you don't mean since "Birth Of A Nation". Now that movie is such a telling historical document..... Honestly, heated or not I'm grateful that we can still all argue like this openly and no-one will be knocking on the door. Well...they may tap our phones but hey...national security and all... I'm a lot more pissed off that once again politicians who have been majorly {censored}ing up the basic needs of the people ie. health care, job security, decent wages, education, reasonable insurance, disaster management etc. are using emotional but personal individual choices as political attention getting and button pushing. Gay marriage, religous teachings, birth control, abortion are all examples of personal choices that are better argued between private people and organizations, not to be legislated for all. I'm an athiest but I do not begrudge anyone's personal choice of a belief system. Even though I hate it and want to be left the {censored} alone I understand the Christian doctrine of wanting to reach me per se. When my supposedly free, democratic Govt. is trying to do just that through legislation that panders to a religous belief system that does not represent all then I'm ready to become a militant athiest and practice a little pre-emption of my own. Live and let live is a truly powerful idea. If only people weren't so insecure as to not be able to do so. P.S If you think all that's gone in the name of fighting terror isn't really about developing means of controlling the domestic population, you need to seriously think about it.

Very well said. There are much more important things a "patriot" should be upset over than someone burning a cloth.

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe do you think TRUTH is time sensitive?....how many years of evolution do you think will have to transpire before a homosexual male starts producing a fetus instead of a turd? if gays and lesbians want to sexually gratify themselves at the expense of 'any orafice goes'...then, GO AHEAD! I have nothing against their right to PRIVACY.....now, if what they are trying to do is LEGITIMIZE this activity and make it "illegal" for me to disagree with this lifestyle (which is what they are trying to do...) so that I cannot publically object or be thrown in jail...THEN, I believe this is nothing more than ol' fashion reverse McCarthyism...FORCING me to agree or else! this is NOT American! I do Not FORCE my worldview down any one's throat, I don't try to LEGISLATE my lifestyle so that others cannot disagree with me or be thrown in jail.

But your views and lifestyle aren't being repressed by a religious group, are they? Letting gays marry isn't forcing you to do anything, you're getting your panties in a wad by your own choice. There are more important things to worry about in life, making an issue out of gay marriage is just political smokescreen.

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe I would bet anything that this forum is at least 95% left-wing morons...ANYTHING!

Yes, that's it. Anyone who doesn't share your default set of conservative christian morals must be a moron. Bigot.

[boogienights]

indespise


I guess Christians are terrorrists to you... seems you're so afraid of them......hahaha,..dude, I'll tell my grandma and her friends to stop harrassing you! Watch out for those deadly church raffles and bingo.....you clearly have a specific agenda going on, what are you a homosexual Satanists or something? Man I love you you're funny as hell, keep on posting ...

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe truly, unbelievable....you really don't pay attention to current events... I'm gonna go talk amps...this thread, like an ocean wave, has hit the shore... Ann Coulter is RIGHT! you can't have a decent discussion with liberals...truly, a waste of time.

Wow, I am shocked an amazed that you like that facist, hypocritical {censored}.
This is the same piece of trash that said "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity." right after the 9/11 attack. If you can't see that she's no different than the Muslims calling Jihad on the "infidels", you might as well gouge your eyes out, because you sure as hell aren't using them.

[indespise]

Originally posted by charliedango The only time you hear of wartime murder on our front is when the responsible parties are found out. Insurgents don't really have a governing force to punish them as criminals when executions are carried out because the executions themselves are acts of defiance. They live in an anarchist state where no action they take is punishable by anything, so really that's the only difference. The fact is they are still murdering innocents as are we. Murderers are murderers, regardless of their religious or political affiliation. I've read of mothers microwaving their babies because they wouldn't stop crying here in the states, does that make us any more or less barbaric. Like I said, a society as a whole shouldn't be judged by it's weakest links. Everyone. I don't think there is one country (outside of possibly Canada) that hasn't been guilty of that at some point throughout history. Apples and oranges. You can't compare the leader of the western world to a third-world dictatorship because Their rules and our rules were totally different. We've burned innocent people at the stake because we believed them to be witches. We've imprisoned people of Asian background living in the US for fear of domestic terrorism. We've ruined the careers of high profile people over fear of them being traitors to our country. We've blown up our own buildings and assassinated our own leaders many times over. The list goes on and on. Who are we to say we're better than anyone else? We're not in the aspect of morality. What makes the US better than many other nations is our propensity to change with the times and redefine our entire culture to suit new changes to our paradigm. Many other nations prefer to remain steadfast to the old ways, but cannot hold out forever. We evolve as a society and part of that evolution is accepting things such as gay marriage. It's going to happen eventually and all our current government is doing is trying to win votes by catering to the fundamentalists in such a way that secures their vote in future elections. Change is always with us. You either change, or you spend the rest of your life whining about the "good ol' days".

DESTROYED

[indespise]

Originally posted by guitar shmoe In the beginning God created......

Clearly, this kills any opposing argument.

[indespise]

Originally posted by boogienights indespise I guess Christians are terrorrists to you... seems you're so afraid of them......hahaha,..dude, I'll tell my grandma and her friends to stop harrassing you! Watch out for those deadly church raffles and bingo.....you clearly have a specific agenda going on, what are you a homosexual Satanists or something? Man I love you you're funny as hell, keep on posting ...

No, my point is that Christian fundamentalists aren't very different from Islamic fundamentalists in their mindset. At this time, Islamic fundamentalists are turning to violence more, but the ideology is the same. If people like the thread starter and guitar schmoe had total control, the USA wouldn't be far from an Islamic state. These are some of the reasons we have seperation of church and state, yet in today's fear dominated Fox News watching society, we have neo-conservative christians doing all they can to impose their beliefs on the nation (in cases such as this, by means of law), thus violating seperation of church and state.
And since you asked, I'm not a homosexual or a satanist, although the way you mention it implies that there is something wrong with either one. My "agenda" here is freedom, freedom for all, not just freedom in context of what conservative christains want.