Members morten'J Posted March 23, 2010 Members Share Posted March 23, 2010 http://www.roland.com/products/en/SH-01/specs.htmlit says 1 VA part and 15 PCM parts what is that drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Screw it, I'm just gonna call them...Stay tuned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boonitic Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 http://www.rolandus.com/products/pro...74&ParentId=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mourndark Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Can be summarised simply as "MOAR SUPERSAW!"The 5 effects look fun, but I'm not sure about the 106-inspired front panel. In fact it all looks far too plastic-y for my liking. My JP8k recently survived falling off the top of a 3-tier, but I don't think this would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Originally Posted by bdub GAIA looks good so far. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop....does it have aftertouch? Velocity only by the looks. In keeping with entry level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 What are the differences between the new Gaia SH-01 and the SH-201? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gordonwiebe Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Entry level is a used keyboard. One could get a used an1x or jp8000 for half the price of one of these (and they are more feature packed). This will be a relatively expensive machine - give the people some quality and features! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Unbelievable how toy-like in appearance their stuff is getting.Do they have some kind of Peter Pan syndrome running rampant in the design department at this company?V-Link but no digital I/O?This whole joke is a bit over my head, maybe -- I was hoping for a true successor to the JP8000.I guess this is smart marketing, though -- it seems to cater to the "I just mastered-the-SH-201-and-would-like-the-next-step-up" demographic, the "I want to tour with Lady Gaga" kids, and the praise-and-worship crowd simultaneously.Honestly, I bet it sounds pretty good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Originally Posted by MartinHines What are the differences between the new Gaia SH-01 and the SH-201? from what we've been discussing, it's 3 independent sh201s. we assume there's a way to split, layer or stack the parts.. it's also got an effects section in which you can create effects chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gordonwiebe Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'm thinking it is 3 independent oscillators - not parts, or multitimbral. Kind of useless really - 3 lfos really means only one lfo per oscillator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Originally Posted by The Audacity Works A third option would be if KARMA's tech somehow squirms around the specifics of the Yamaha patent. If one patent does not infringe on another patent, there is no "squirming around...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'm thinking it is 3 independent oscillators - not parts, or multitimbral.Kind of useless really - 3 lfos really means only one lfo per oscillator? The roland copy seems to read that way too "three fat analog synths" or something something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Huge sound with three virtual analog engines onboard, each with a dedicated oscillator, filter, amplifier, envelope, and LFO from the roland connect website http://rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=sh-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Okay, just got off the phone with Roland US. My contact wasn't there (he's at Musikmesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 If one patent does not infringe on another patent, there is no "squirming around...".If KARMA controls more than one part simultaneously (which it obviously does), then it infringes on Yamaha's patent of arpeggio(s) that control more than one part simultaneously. Yamaha may not care, or Korg may pay them a license fee, or the wording of the patent may be such that "squirming around" was doable. It's not an insult to Korg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Most of the effects have multiple variations that can be controlled with the FX control knobs. So there are ten types visible from the front panel, but "dozens" that are selectable. Build quality is supposed to be "better than it looks". No info on battery life yet, or anything about an editor/librarian/VST plugin, though I would expect they'll eventually materialize. Am about to dump my V-Synth for an Infinite Response VAX77, and this might just find a place on the top right panel. Looks good. Thanks so muchCurrent Draw 600 mA on the Jap site so that is pretty good. Looks like enough to play on battery just about any where ... cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Woody4 Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 what's with the 5 types of center cancel? going to be big in asian karaoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gaul Posted March 24, 2010 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 BAD: Portamento adjusted not by knob, not by slider, but by + and - buttons. No LCD to show the actual value.BAD: Not even a tiniest LCD screen. It means that no applied parameter value will be readable in numbers. Unless they come with some PC editor, but... still not cool, looks frustrating to depend of the approximate guess of your ear for change of the parameter values.GOOD: Looks like it's 16-part multitmbralBAD: ... but only one single part appears to be dedicated to VA engine. Roland needs to clear up what 15 other PCM parts actually mean (I see some others also did not understand that).BAD: Pitch bender is movable only in 3 directions, two for pitch (left, right), and up for modulation. Such expressive engine could well use modulation 2 function applied as a movement down of the pitch bender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 The VA engine is single part, but there's an extra 15-part multitimbral engine available when connected to a sequencer/controller. Only 8 PCM sounds are accessible from the front panel. So that would mean that all three "tones" are played as is: no splits, layers, stacks, synchs etc? are the 8 pcm samples for the oscillators? any idea what they are? I dont know about the 8 PCMs and the 15 parts. my gut is they are recycled rompler stuffs to give beginners a leg up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 yes thanks you to. if it comes in around what the sh201 went for new, i'm sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 In this video, they're saying $650 street. Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 Can't route incoming audio through the filter (unlike the SH-201) According to KeyboardMag videos (one post above) you can route incoming audio through the filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 According to KeyboardMag videos (one post above) you can route incoming audio through the filters.Hmm... I noticed there's no EXT IN oscillator like on the SH-201 and V-Synths. The guy at Roland confirmed this. Guess we were both wrong and it's hiding in there somewhere. Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 If KARMA controls more than one part simultaneously (which it obviously does), then it infringes on Yamaha's patent of arpeggio(s) that control more than one part simultaneously. Yamaha may not care, or Korg may pay them a license fee, or the wording of the patent may be such that "squirming around" was doable.This explains why Stephen Kay (KARMA inventor) goes out of his way to inform people that KARMA is not an arpeggiator, although it could be used to simulate one. Doesn't Korg already license FM (called "VPM" in Korg synths) and physical modeling from Yamaha already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wa2C Posted March 24, 2010 Members Share Posted March 24, 2010 i like i like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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