Members Bernard Posted June 10, 2010 Members Share Posted June 10, 2010 Originally Posted by keybdwizrd Here are some pics I took of people without asking permission. Am I in big trouble or what? Only if you sell for profit could you be prossecuted for not getting a model release from all those who are recognisable. You appear to be a good example of a good person on the right side of the law. Proceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted June 10, 2010 Members Share Posted June 10, 2010 My ears have recovered, so back to play some more with GAIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Bernard If you sell the pics without a signed release of the subject (or their guardian) your on the wrong side of the law. Wrong (in America at least). You are only on the wrong side of the law if you are violating the subjects' rights. For ordinary people, the biggest issue would be is if someone is violating your rights if you are expecting privacy. So, yes, if you are secretly filming someone boinking in their bedroom, you are violating the law. If you are secretly filming someone just walking down the street, you are *not* violating the law. Other issues that the person can sue over are things like defamation, where the photo was deliberately taken for malice purposes. They may not win. Most people are not defamed by simply walking down the street. The plaintiff has the burden of proof. Copyright is another issue, for people whose actual image makes them money, and/or when the photo is being used *to* make money (eg in an advertisement). Most people are not famous enough for this to apply. Ordinary published photos are different than advertisements. Photographer's rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Four favorite travel photos WITH NO PEOPLE IN THEM. (Monaco, Hong Kong, Paris, Vatican City) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miket156 Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hey Michael, those are some GREAT shots. Interesting pics dude. P.S. Paris is too expensive. Mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BonsoWonderDog Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Don't post any more pics. Diametro doesn't approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Plink Floyd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 The march of technology knackered my pursuit of photographic artistry. I have a nice SLR with lots of accessories: lenses, lights, remote flashes, backdrops, filters, everything needed for three point portraiture lighting, ect. I spent many happy hours experimenting with indoor lighting, waiting for the 'sweet' light outside, and tramping through the woods looking for those Ansel Adams vistas. Consequently, I have many boxes of silver halide masterpieces. Does anyone look at them? No. We look at the crappy snaps on the PC slide show that were taken with the cheap point & shoot digital cams. But I can't be bothered with film anymore, and I just can't bring myself to plunk down a thousand or two to 'get started' all over again with a DSLR. I guess crappy snaps are better than nothing. And yes, I back up my HDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted June 11, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Purity_Control I'd love to be able to do stuff like that, but if you did it in the UK they'd try to arrest you as a terorist or a paedophile if there were any kids in it Everything here has got so paranoid Paranoia lives here, too. US schools: 1970 vs. 2010 --------------------------------- Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack. 1970 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack. 2010 - School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, Jack is hauled off to jail and never se More..es his truck or gun again. Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers. _________________________________ Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school. 1970 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies. 2010 - Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it. _________________________________ Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students. 1970 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again. 2010 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability. _________________________________ Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt. 1970 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist. _________________________________ Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school . 1970 - Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock. 2010 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons. _________________________________ Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill. 1970 - Ants die. 2010 - Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. _________________________________ This scenario is relevant to the branching off of this thread: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him. 1967 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing. 2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. Originally Posted by soundwave106 I find it a weird world where Guy With Camera gives people THE FEAR (Girl With Camera probably wouldn't ), but people have no problem with security cameras recording their every move up the yingyang. A big digital SLR will inspire THE FEAR, but cell phone cameras don't (even though those worried about privacy have far more to be concerned about cell phone cams). My view: if you are in a public place, there is an implied consent. Yes, it's nice to be polite and respectful and whatnot, but I find it weird just how much bitching "being photographed" seems to inspire. Brilliant. ____________________________________ Back on topic: Love the pics that you have posted. Some of them are professional-looking, others very artistic! I am relatively new to photography, but thanks to the massive amount of online resources [including youtube], I am learning slowly but surely. I have a lot of technical questions about photography and videography, but I am researching the answers through reading. If I don't find an answer or find it and don't understand it, I will definitely count on my friends here to explain things to me... and others. Meanwhile, keep them coming! I think musicians are a special breed. They are talented in so many different things beside music. Thank you very much for sharing your work! Hey, it's KSS. Remember? [life size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Plink Floyd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Mediterranean "Pyramid of Paranoia" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted June 11, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hey PF! Good to see you!Come on now, where are the pictures? I want to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Plink Floyd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 I have a good transparency scanner, so I plan to digitize 'em someday. Let me check my prioritized to do list, here... Ah. Here it is. Page 400, item # 57,942... ...have to get back to ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members burster Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hey D, Here's a subject for ya. Taken at a local game ranch.PS. Where's that Gary Numan book you said you were going to send me over a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Diametro This thread is proving ... 1) Most people have no idea what makes a good photo ... 2) They don't care if they bother posting a good photo ... as long as it's theirs ... Hi D! My pictures were all taken with various phones. So the quality is not as good as a big-ass digital camera. Also, I'm far from a professional photographer. I just snap shots of things I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by soundwave106 Wrong (in America at least). You are only on the wrong side of the law if you are violating the subjects' rights. For ordinary people, the biggest issue would be is if someone is violating your rights if you are expecting privacy. So, yes, if you are secretly filming someone boinking in their bedroom, you are violating the law. If you are secretly filming someone just walking down the street, you are *not* violating the law. Other issues that the person can sue over are things like defamation, where the photo was deliberately taken for malice purposes. They may not win. Most people are not defamed by simply walking down the street. The plaintiff has the burden of proof. Copyright is another issue, for people whose actual image makes them money, and/or when the photo is being used *to* make money (eg in an advertisement). Most people are not famous enough for this to apply. Ordinary published photos are different than advertisements. Photographer's rights I meant to sell as in commercial work. Sorry if that was not clear, hence my caveat it's just a rough guide. If your doing work for profit study study the law! The exception would be to sell to a news paper if the photo's were in the public interest. This is rare and in some cases you still could be done for exploiting your access if it was a friend etc that had become the target of press interest. Generally for commercial sales, and I really meant things like advertising, I am sure model release is pretty similar in the states as it is in the UK. Lets give you an example that is not so obvious to most: keybdwizrd uses a photo of a man in Russia on his record cover to enhance sales. He becomes an over night success and multi million pounds key playing star (I am sure this will happen one day ) The chap from Russia gets tipped off. A law firm agree to pursue the case on a no win no fee arrange and then prosecute keybdwizrd for not getting a model release. BTW way a model release also requires some form of payment to the subject, don't think a signed piece of paper will always stand up in court. You can be accused of exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 And let's remember that here in America, at least, anybody can sue anybody anytime for anything, regardless of the actual law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wwwjd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by keybdwizrd And let's remember that here in America, at least, anybody can sue anybody anytime for anything, regardless of the actual law. Thank your lawyers for this. It's the only job that is legally monopolistic and self generating. There needs to be some laws against what lawyers are allowed to do... but oh wait! Guess WHO makes the laws? And profits from them? It's a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by BonsoWonderDog Don't post any more pics. Diametro doesn't approve. "Foreign lands" photos are better ... Technically speaking, not stunning, but at least there's some content ... ... BTW, Bonso ... You have my permission to ignore me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by wwwjd Thank your lawyers for this. It's the only job that is legally monopolistic and self generating. There needs to be some laws against what lawyers are allowed to do... but oh wait! Guess WHO makes the laws? And profits from them? It's a crime Tomorrow is killalawyer day ... Jesus will look the other way ... I promise ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Bernard Ah, okay. You are correct there. In practice, the big distinction is commercial applications. You really don't need a model release form for photographic exhibits or even if you sell prints of a photograph ("art" applications). You *do* need a model release form the instant you slap that photo on an advertisement, album cover, commercial web site, kiosk, or any "business" application -- at least, if you are making money. Elsewise, the person could sue for a piece of the profit that comes from using their likeness. (If you are not making money from said image, no one is going to sue, of course. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Diametro "Foreign lands" photos are better ... Technically speaking, not stunning, but at least there's some content ... More purdy travel pix then! Venice Prague Prague (view from our hotel window) Chicago (where I am now!) Vatican City Prague Rome Santa Monica, California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Sunset in northern denmark Sunset in copenhagen My daughter A balinese temple Sunrise on Java Sunset over the Bali strait Mexico City at night Village in Chiapas (Mexico) Sri Lankan ladies on a temple visit Highlands of Peru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Where was that last pic taken Michael? Looks beautiful..And I'm amazed at how much you've travelled, and quite jealeous too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by burster Hey D, Here's a subject for ya. Taken at a local game ranch. PS. Where's that Gary Numan book you said you were going to send me over a year ago? PM me your address ... I'm going to the post office in a few hours ... BTW ... poor exposure ... and i don't really care for animals in captivity ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted June 11, 2010 Members Share Posted June 11, 2010 Originally Posted by Tomkeen Where was that last pic taken Michael? Looks beautiful.. And I'm amazed at how much you've travelled, and quite jealeous too.. The last photo in the group above was taken from up on a bluff overlooking Santa Monica Beach, near Los Angeles. I have been fortunate to travel a fair amount - years of business travel in the US left me with lots of frequent flier miles to use for vacations. In September we will be in Istanbul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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