OT-Some Interesting Videos of Obama's Church

[Herald of Light]

I honestly think that if he were in the position he was in and was a white man, Hillary wouldn't stand a chance.

 

 

You're probably right. I've never heard of anyone saying they would vote for him because he's black.

 

But I've heard of lots of people saying they won't vote for him because he's a Muslim or some {censored}, which they just assume from his name and skin color.

[Travisaurus Rex]

Bull{censored}. Intolerance like this is a virus.

 

 

Intelligent words from someone who's moniker is "eagertokill"

 

 

My man.

 

 

Wow, that was too easy. Consider your buttons pushed!

BTW "eagertokill" is my xbox ID, not a statement.

[rockitsauce]

I am simply commenting on other people's actions. There is no way around it, race IS OBVIOUSLY an issue in this election.

 

 

Some people claim to have no racist potential. I CALL BULL{censored}. YES I DID IT! Being proud of your race is natural and intrinsic to the human species. It is in you, you do feel it. Dont {censored}ing bull{censored} and spout off denial. It isnt wrong so long as you dont try to oppress or belittle another race. It really isnt wrong to feel proud of being white, although this {censored}ed up society would make you think that you should feel guilty about that. It obviously isnt wrong to feel proud of being black either being as entire holidays are dedicated towards this. I said black and I said white. Not African-American or Caucasian. {censored} the dumb{censored}. Mississippi was won by the votes of the entire black population of that state. If all of the white people in any state voted for a white leader, it would absolutely be a racist argument. Quit feeling sorry for something that happened long before we lived and be proud of what you are. Some would say "why should you be proud of something you have no control of?". Why? Because I want to. I want to feel good about myself. I dont want to have to walk around with my tail between my legs because of something that happened long ago that I had no control of. I worked hard to have everything I have, nothing was ever given to me. I suppose that is why I dont feel guilty about feeling the way I do. I work for a school board that absolutely will look at a minority applicant before a white person. They must keep a 30 percent minority hire rate or face penalties. It's the truth. Call me a white cracker mother{censored}er! It doesnt bother me!

[ravelm3nt]

I am getting at the fact that race DOES indeed play a huge part in this election, as much as people don't want to admit it or believe it.

 

 

AND? WHAT IS YOUR POINT?! Who cares? You act like Obamas a {censored}ing moron and couldn't do his job if he wins. Be glad that he is very intelligent and is trying to take a fresh approach to the white house. If he had Bushes intellect, I might understand your opinion. Then again, we wouldn't be talking about him if that were the case. He'd have been out long ago.

[Cibyl]

I don't give a damn if the next president worships Buddha or Allah or God, as long as they have a good handle on leading the nation.

 

+1

 

However it's a bit naive to think that their won't be some degree of influence over the way a person makes decisions when religion/church is that big a part of their life. This church obviously has an agenda (a WHOLE bunch of other churches are the same as well) they push outside of just praying to the Lord and Jesus. We just have to hope whomever is elected does their very best to keep their Presidential/decision-maker side and spiritual-side as separate as possible.

 

With that said. I watched the first video only and honestly,.....I don't necessarily disagree with all of Pastor Wright's political views. However, his method of getting overly emotional and working people up over his statements is the thing I don't like. I just hear ranting -- I hear no ideas or solutions for change. Someone in a position of power like him can affect a lot more change by bringing up the issues he/she sees but then provide solutions and ideas to make things better,....be constructive. And the "God did this,...God did that" {censored} -- God didn't "DO" anything, people did.

[10-46]

OH MY GOD. im so {censored}ing tired of this {censored}. yes, he has done great {censored} for this country, yes he was {censored}ing tortured or whatever. what the {censored} that has to do with the presidency is beyond me. if our president gets {censored}ing captured and tortured, ill {censored}ing vote for mccain. until then, lets vote for someone with some {censored}ing ideas and some {censored}ing change.

 

 

It speaks to one word you might not be that familiar with... character.

 

When the words Hope, Ideas, and Change are used, great. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly the change will be. I'm also waiting for these great ideas. I've seen every Democratic debate... and still have no idea what Hillary or Obama will do for this country. (other than destroy the health care system, turn over Iraq to a bunch of thugs, and take my hard earned tax dollars and give them to people who haven't worked half as hard as me).

[5150Watts]

People like that preacher keep racism alive.

[ravelm3nt]

If all of the white people in any state voted for a white leader, it would absolutely be a racist argument.

 

 

I think it'll be awhile before multiple nationalities compete in a given race.

 

 

Quit feeling sorry for something that happened long before we lived and be proud of what you are.

 

 

I'm a human, nothing more, nothing less. And frankly, it's hard to be proud of being one of those nowadays.

 

 

Some would say "why should you be proud of something you have no control of?". Why? Because I want to. I want to feel good about myself.

 

 

Good argument. You sound like an 8 year old girl.

 

 

I dont want to have to walk around with my tail between my legs because of something that happened long ago that I had no control of.

 

 

I'll give you this. We can't be held responsible for something that happened before our lifetime.

 

 

I work for a school board that absolutely will look at a minority applicant before a white person. They must keep a 30 percent minority hire rate or face penalties. It's the truth.

 

 

I agree with the idea of giving everyone a chance, I can't stand the dumb law.

[ravelm3nt]

+1 However it's a bit naive to think that their won't be some degree of influence over the way a person makes decisions when religion/church is that big a part of their life. This church obviously has an agenda (a WHOLE bunch of other churches are the same as well) they push outside of just praying to the Lord and Jesus. We just have to hope whomever is elected does their very best to keep their Presidential/decision-maker side and spiritual-side as separate as possible. With that said. I watched the first video only and honestly,.....I don't necessarily disagree with all of Pastor Wright's political views. However, his method of getting overly emotional and working people up over his statements is the thing I don't like. I just hear ranting -- I hear no ideas or solutions for change. Someone in a position of power like him can affect a lot more change by bring up the issues he/she sees but then provide solutions and ideas to make things better,....be constructive. And the "God did this,...God did that" {censored} -- God didn't "DO" anything, people did.

 

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

[newholland]

funny that everyone mentions racism on the obama side, but assume there'd be none on the other.

far as i see it, people're gonna vote for who they ideologically align with, whether black, white, arab, asian, or maybe even just ideologically align with.

ideologically-- i'm no big fan of spin, backstabbing, manipulation of facts, status quo, corporate tax breaks, and mongo deficits. that puts me at odds with approximately 99% of politicians period.

i do appreciate straight talk, no bull{censored}, and calling {censored} for what it is. far as i see it-- if you live in urban america, that preacher's calling it like he sees it. living in dc-- theres a HUGE difference between haves and have nots- and MAKING it as a black dude (or woman) around here is a pretty tall order. barack obama's educated, speaks well, obviously thinks about how to NOT play into the {censored}-- and you wouldn't hear him spouting those sermons. but to be a good politician, you've gotta listen to your constituency-- and knowing what goes on in lower middle class and below black america, and how people feel who DON'T come from, lets say, oil magnate families with yale connections f'rinstance, maybe he's a scoch more in touch with how people on the ground actually feel about their government. sure-- corporate dudes-- no sweat! they're everyplace around politicians. but the people who keep the underpinnings of this country rolling... not so much-- they wash their clothes and paint their houses. great... very helpful.

i've heard proto nazis speak in places i've been. i've heard racists, and as a working dude myself, i've heard a whole lot of stupid {censored} said around me. do i believe it? {censored} no.. i'm not that stupid. but having a grasp of what it MEANS that carpenters can be really nasty anti-everything... that tells me something about the state of education, the state of child rearing, the state of .. well.. the union to a degree. and you temper your smarts with what ACTUALLY goes on on the ground in working class communities. killer-- window on the world.

extrapolate, and figure it out. you can swallow whatever you're given and become it, or you can learn. my bets are more that barack obama is the latter than the former.

[Chrisjd]

It speaks to one word you might not be that familiar with... character. When the words Hope, Ideas, and Change are used, great. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly the change will be. I'm also waiting for these great ideas. I've seen every Democratic debate... and still have no idea what Hillary or Obama will do for this country. (other than destroy the health care system, turn over Iraq to a bunch of thugs, and take my hard earned tax dollars and give them to people who haven't worked half as hard as me).

 

 

Best post in this thread yet.

 

People need to understand this, it isn't that hard.

[***1776***]

I think Obama is actually a likeable guy person, hes not as devisive and always talks about america being one and not just red and blue. He has also said some good things about republicans, etc and is NOT as divisive as hillary.

That said i dont care for the guys politics, hes really liberal on many issues and thats not my cup of tea, change is ok but there has to be than the word change


1 last thing, for the guys who are SO DAMN DISHONEST/POLITICAL - I saw the clip on CNN just 2 nights ago, its a story and it needs to be out there, is it a big story? NO ITS NOT! but it should still be out there, you guys just want the media to keep 'cheeleading the guy and handling with kitgloves?


Stop blaming FOX or Hannity, what a bunch of crybabies you sound like really. Oboma should address and move on stop 'blaming' the media for reporting a story, how pathetic!

[ravelm3nt]

1 last thing, for the guys who are SO DAMN DISHONEST/POLITICAL - I saw the clip on CNN just 2 nights ago, its a story and it needs to be out there, is it a big story? NO ITS NOT! but it should still be out there, you guys just want the media to keep 'cheeleading the guy and handling with kitgloves? Stop blaming FOX or Hannity, what a bunch of crybabies you sound like really. Oboma should address and move on stop 'blaming' the media for reporting a story, how pathetic!

Please. Fox News is a load of {censored} with a major political agenda. "Reporting a story" my ass.

[Chrisjd]

Please. Fox News is a load of {censored} with a major political agenda. "Reporting a story" my ass.

 

 

Fox news is a great news channel that reports on more than just conservative biases. they have a conservative bias but what would you call msnbc or cnn? I thought you were smarter than that.

[C-4]

I believe that it was a terrible mistake not to have Romney in contention.
This country is going to change and has already shown heavy signs of being a socialist society already, which might some day be over taken by one of our enemies. Priorities have changed, and the media and people in power are getting away with far too much, and making backroom deals without the American people being made aware of the consequences of these actions.
Example is the Star Chamber deal Palosy (sp?) passed this week over night that formed a 6 person panel made up of 3 republicans and 3 democrats. It is an independant agency not made up of anyone in Congress. It will only take two votes by any two people on this panel who even think wrongly that someone in Congress may possibly be doing something unethical, and the Congressional person accused must pay their own lawyers to defend themselves against any accusations, false or not. This is her way of getting people not in line with her agenda out of office, and ruining their reputation.

All I want to do is to be able to see Europe before I die and possibly live there, at least for awhile.

Without a person NOT from Washington, who has shown real world success to lead us, a Congress that will back up that president, and an honest news media without bias or their own agenda, who just reports the news as it is and nothing more, it will just be a matter time before we are all {censored}ed, royally.

[spoonie g]

I think that it has mattered to a lot of OTHER people, and Obama has done a great job of NOT making it a factor. People are forgetting that he graduated from Harvard Law and was editor of the Harvard Law Review (one of the most prestigious legal journals in the nation) before he was in the political circle, and he was black then, as well. What I find disgusting is the people who say "Oh, he's so eloquent" or "He's so well spoken", because behind that, there's often a twist of "He's so eloquent for being a black man."

 

 

Well, then you are generalizing and possibly stereotyping yourself. I think he is eloquent, more so than any other candidate. His skin color never even crossed my mind in reference to it. You are the one injecting that.

[***1776***]

Please. Fox News is a load of {censored} with a major political agenda. "Reporting a story" my ass.

Did FOX make it up? Is it a legit story? did the pastor say those things? You can hate FOX but the fact is that its a legit story!


I bet stories off of the Huffington Post, Micheal Moore, Move on. Org or Media Matters are all "ok" in your book right?


Double standard 101


And i saw it on CNN 2 nites ago and MSNBC the next morning (Morning Joe) --- address the story and stop attacking the source, you sound like a partison NOOB when you do stuff like that

[jaytee123]

Please. ALL News is a load of {censored} with a major political agenda. "Reporting a story" my ass.

 

 

Fixed.

 

There is no true journalism anymore.

[ravelm3nt]

Fox news is a great news channel that reports on more than just conservative biases. they have a conservative bias but what would you call msnbc or cnn? I thought you were smarter than that.

 

 

Yes, there are slants everywhere. Fox News is far and above the worst though.

 

To be fair, no one reports fairly and justly. The honesty of reporting has been gone for quite sometime. You have to watch many reports and read a lot of publications to get the gist of the story.

[ravelm3nt]

Did FOX make it up? Is it a legit story? did the pastor say those things? You can hate FOX but the fact is that its a legit story! I bet stories off of the Huffington Post, Micheal Moore, Move on. Org or Media Matters are all "ok" in your book right? Double standard 101 And i saw it on CNN 2 nites ago and MSNBC the next morning (Morning Joe) --- address the story and stop attacking the source, you sound like a partison NOOB when you do stuff like that

They took facts and they twist them in a certain way. Come on man...bias and slant are new ideas to you?

No, I don't trust any one news source. I try and take as many different ones as I can into consideration and see what is actually going. No channel, newspaper or magazine is right on the money.

[ravelm3nt]

Fixed. There is no true journalism anymore.

"I should've just said, 'yeah"

[Inertiatic_SKS]

Fox news is a great news channel that reports on more than just conservative biases. they have a conservative bias but what would you call msnbc or cnn? I thought you were smarter than that.

Unfortunately for you, Fox is the most unfairly biased news channel out there. I watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox all the time since I'm a news junkie and I can say that although CNN and MSNBC are a bit left leaning, they tend to report news more fairly than Fox. Fox, even outside their editorial programs, go out of their way to bash on Obama, Billary and the Democratic agenda. However, CNN and MSNBC do not. Sure, they have a few left leaning political commentators (MSNBC has Keith Olbermann and CNN has Anderson Cooper), but typically, they report everything without a huge bias, unlike Fox.

And just to get this out there, I don't see people are supporting McCain. He's looking to continue a fruitless war that will cost us upwards of a trillion dollars according to some economists, make Bush's unfair and ridiculous tax cuts permanent on top of continuing his other failed economic policies and he's pretty much corporate America's lapdog. He will not represent his constituency, much like his tenure as a state senator for Arizona. Let's not forget he's COMPLETLY against earmarks. God forbid he gives our kids more libraries and parks

I could give less of a {censored} that McCain was a POW in 'Nam. He served our country, but that doesn't make him fit to be a president. Don't even give me that "he has character and substance" schpiel. It's not like Obama doesn't. Obama was raised in a single parent household, his father left him at 2, he was a mixed child in a time when mixed children were generally looked down upon and he has fought tooth and nail to get to where he is now. Each person gains their character one way or another and simply because McCain was tortured, that doesn't give him more or better character. Hell, my great uncle's best friend was a POW in Vietnam and he's the biggest asshole and drunk I've ever met.

I'm done ranting.

[***1776***]

They took facts and they twist them in a certain way. Come on man...bias and slant are new ideas to you? No, I don't trust any one news source. I try and take as many different ones as I can into consideration and see what is actually going. No channel, newspaper or magazine is right on the money.

Ok we agree on that.


I think most media outlets leans left though, from CNN to most major city newspapers and other stations, factor in the college campus dialogue (BIG TIME liberal) and so theres 1 outlet that leans right (FOX)


Whats the big deal? there still are outnumbered big time its only 1 station





PS - I do wish there was MORE HONEST journalism and reporting these days, i can only wish!

[gdwill2u]

WOW!!

This church should lose it's tax free status, promoting a political agenda from the pulpit is beyond wrong IMO, it is the very worst kind of mind f**ing there is.

Using a person's love for God or at the very least one's love for spirituality to manipulate their vote is so eggregious that I am amazed that this stuff goes on. Or using a church as a meeting place to hold political rallies, either way this is a no no.

Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world, so why does this guy think God cares about republicians vs. democrats. He may just as well have been preaching that God loves the Dallas Cowboys and hates the Redskins (that just can't be;))

[HKSblade1]

Damn people are foolish and gullible! Hook and Line ans Sinker will fall for anything! :poke: :poke: :poke:

 

You wonder why the country is F'd up?? Cuz people watched instead of being active. How many years?? WTF was the 06 campaign about?? What did you get??? It's all about POWER. Nothing will change. If you wanted DEMOCRATS to do something why didn't they? THEY PROMISED ! Didn't They??? Is the war OVER??? How many troops are home??

 

It's all bull{censored}. Stop jerking your wads on some HOPE that has no meaning of HAPPEN. Seen the Cover of Rolling Stone??? What a F'n Joke. Obama glowing with silver lined clouds and Blue skies behind him. WTF??? Get real. Even that RAG is bashing Hillary!! Wow! How does that help a rag audience like they have?? Scorn your own front runner? WTF

 

Obama and Hil had every chance in Congress to DO {censored}. After all this time in Congress from either side, WHY hasn't anything changed??? I'll tell you why, We believe the bull{censored} promise and change and HOPE ideas and once elected DO NOT HOLD those MF'ers responsible. Instead, we re-elect the same {censored}. WTF! Whose fault???

 

Voters! Damn people WAKE THE {censored} UP an dget over all the HYPE AND PROMISE of Bull{censored} they will Not bring. WHY?? Cuz they know the people of this country are just as gullible the next term!