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i think it has to do with the fact that, for instance, you can know HOW you are supposed to do something, but until you actually do it you don't fully understand it. the candidates can say they know whats best for the american people, but 99.9% of politicians are and have been in wealthy families and ivy league educations.


with Palin you get a woman that knows the struggles of the average american, because she IS an average american. just IMO of course

 

 

And you don't think that applies to Obama? He's no longer average-- that's part of what makes you rise to earning a spot on a national ticket for the President of the United States, but he started with very humble beginnings, succeeded and got a fantastic education, came back and worked within the community, paid off his student loans, and with persistence (after being blown out in a race for Congress), he made it into the Senate. His net worth was estimated at 800k last year (my parents have a 500k house, they bought it for 120k 30 years ago... that means their worth is around Obama's and we're remarkably average wealth for my part of the country) and he had to work to pay off those student loans.

 

Why is Palin more American? This bull{censored} narrative and glorification of one American story as the American story really gets on my nerves.

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people working together to make a better place is communist?

 

 

You know, my community once had a fund raiser to repair a historical business that went down in flames.

 

It means we're communist, because we came together as a community to do something for the common good. Collectivist, too. Having a local business cater the event for free, meaning we all sat out on tables together and had a meal should have tipped me off to the damn Reds.

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It's literally vomit-inducing to me. I cannot stand that a huge part of this country thinks the middle-American farmer somehow has a stranglehold on patriotism and Americanism.






Why is Palin more American? This bull{censored} narrative and glorification of
one
American story as
the
American story really gets on my nerves.

 

 

Why so bitter about it? Aren't YOU proud that you don't live inside the confines of this modern "American Story"?

 

I'm not certain people are over-celebrating Palin's uber-Model American Patriot as much as you make it out to be. It's fact that she....represents? mirrors?....a HUGE portion of America.

 

One of the basic tenets of The Presidential Office is that ANYONE...any CITIZEN can grow up and be President...I think it was meant that yes...even someone that seems very AVERAGE *can* still run for the office.

 

"She doesn't represent ME"

"Her Americanism/patriotism ain't SPECIAL"

"He/She isn't QUALIFIED" (What a delicate high wire act THAT is.)

even though it's a Presidential Election...how {censored}ing DARE they elevate HER story. She ain't special.

 

 

 

 

I think this is a very interesting election. It's historic no matter who wins. Enjoy it...celebrate! Let's try to keep our bitterness and bias out it...let's try to not let it divide us even further. There will be good and bad in either choice.

 

 

Either the best man/woman will win....or Americans' gullibility and ignorance will win....if it's your candidate that doesn't. IF Americans were REALLY smart.......they'd vote 3rd line down or further...and end the ridiculous notion that it's a "two-party system". It is because that's the way we mark our ballots.

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You know, my community once had a fund raiser to repair a historical business that went down in flames.


It means we're communist, because we came together as a community to do something for the common good. Collectivist, too. Having a local business cater the event for free, meaning we all sat out on tables together and had a meal should have tipped me off to the damn Reds.

 

 

And if the government TOLD everyone they had to contribute? If they came to your house and collected it? Would it feel the same?

 

It's becuase you all did it FREELY that it felt so good.

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Why so bitter about it? Aren't YOU proud that you don't live inside the confines of this modern "American Story"?


I'm not certain people are over-celebrating Palin's uber-Model American Patriot as much as you make it out to be. It's fact that she....represents? mirrors?....a HUGE portion of America.


One of the basic tenets of The Presidential Office is that ANYONE...any CITIZEN can grow up and be President...I think it was meant that yes...even someone that seems very AVERAGE *can* still run for the office.


"She doesn't represent ME"

"Her Americanism/patriotism ain't SPECIAL"

"He/She isn't QUALIFIED" (What a delicate high wire act THAT is.)

even though it's a Presidential Election...how {censored}ing DARE they elevate HER story. She ain't special.





I think this is a very interesting election. It's historic no matter who wins. Enjoy it...celebrate! Let's try to keep our bitterness and bias out it...let's try to not let it divide us even further. There will be good and bad in either choice.



Either the best man/woman will win....or Americans' gullibility and ignorance will win....if it's your candidate that doesn't. IF Americans were REALLY smart.......they'd vote 3rd line down or further...and end the ridiculous notion that it's a "two-party system". It is because that's the way we mark our ballots.

 

 

And what makes Obama not average other than being smart? What makes his story not a mirror to Americans? Work hard no matter what your upbringing, get a great education, and use that education for good?

 

My issue with this characterization of America has nothing to do with Palin really, but she's a great example of this growing belief that somehow conservative Americans from middle America are more American than the rest of us.

 

I hate to break it to you but there are more people living in the NYC Metro Area than just about any state. In fact, if you eliminate NY as a state and just take the NYC Metro Area, it would be the third most populated state in the country. 18.8 million people.

 

That's more than:

 

Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa, and about 90% of Oklahoma-- COMBINED.

 

But you don't hear that living in the NYC area is the American story. That doesn't match average folk. Yet imagine what happens when we add other major metropolitan areas like Boston, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, etc...

 

There's nothing more American or more average about this story, but everyone is always so quick to label it that way. It drives me nuts. With everything. I'm sorry-- middle America/red state America/whatever you want to call it America is not the only American story and they do not own the rights to the American story.

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And if the government TOLD everyone they had to contribute? If they came to your house and collected it? Would it feel the same?


It's becuase you all did it FREELY that it felt so good.

 

 

The DyeMusica quote is basically saying the fundamental social contract by which government, and for that matter, society, exists is communist by nature. Sacrificing individuality for safety and economic protection.

 

That's what the original city-states were designed around and it remains central to the most minimal governments-- protect the citizens and protect the economy. This has always come at some cost to individuality. Society itself is a collective endeavor, and while our government and Obama comes nowhere near the burden of being a Collectivist, capital-C, or even democratic-socialist (as much of Europe is), Dye and marshall still think they have their semantic argument won on the basis that the most fundamental definition of collectivism is encapsulated by anyone who's not an anarchist (though an anarchist can believe in collectivism as well, just not through a government structure).

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The DyeMusica quote is basically saying the fundamental social contract by which government, and for that matter, society, exists is communist by nature. Sacrificing individuality for safety and economic protection.


That's what the original city-states were designed around and it remains central to the most minimal governments-- protect the citizens and protect the economy. This has always come at some cost to individuality. Society itself is a collective endeavor, and while our government and Obama comes nowhere near the burden of being a Collectivist, capital-C, or even democratic-socialist (as much of Europe is), Dye and marshall still think they have their semantic argument won on the basis that the most fundamental definition of collectivism is encapsulated by anyone who's not an anarchist (though an anarchist can believe in collectivism as well, just not through a government structure).

 

 

That's not what I gathered from the stroy at all. Of course I wasn't looking to LECTURE people about it. It had NOTHING to do with "government contracts". It was people making the decision on their own to help out.

 

People are very WILLING to help out those less fortunate. It's when they are commanded to that they have issues.

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people working together to make a better place is communist?

 

 

It is when you are forced, and when the type of working together is not a choice on a national level.

 

If a community decides to ban together to make something better then its what they decided and those who choose not to participate are able to not be involved.

 

Now if Barack Hussien decideds to hit us with his social programs planned, do I get a choice of which one I want to pay for?

Nope.

 

 

Fact is both parties have found the bottom of the barrel nominees to run, neither are worth a vote, but its been that way for a long time, its voting between two evils, lifelong rich, ivy league school, born and bred politicians.

 

Let me know when we can come together as as community, and start cleaning house on what is the stagnant swamp of Washington dc.

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Twice if you count the dangers of having a kid at her age.

 

 

Fuzzy math. Besides, this kind of thing is not really quantifiable. As a rule, people who are conservative believe that marriage is the only place for having children and more over, we think that you should be financially stable to do so as well. That doesn't mean crap doesn't happen. This baby will be a blessing to the Palins, no matter what circumstance it occurs in.

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No. Because you don't have even an elementary grasp on the history and platform of the party you so vehemently defend.

 

 

I am not a Republican, I am a conservative.

 

Secondly, it's not like anyone could run on a platform only built on supporting childbirth from within wedlock. That is a conservative ideal...hands down. But just an ideal, not something solid like Pro-Life.

 

Now, you libs would have something to gripe about if she went out and had an abortion. Then you might have something to go on.

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I am not a Republican, I am a conservative.


Secondly, it's not like anyone could run on a platform built on only supporting childbirth from within wedlock. That is a conservative ideal...hands down. But just an ideal, not something solid like Pro-Life.


Now, you libs would have something to gripe about if she went out and had an abortion. Then you might have something to go on.



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