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I am looking to start getting serious with my lyrics. As my playing ability increases, I find that I am just throwing meaningless collections of words in place over my music and wasting it. So I'm taking a break and going to approach writing from a completely different mind set.

 

I'm starting to study the lyrics of some of the greatest writers. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions for good but little known writers.. I'm going through some late scott walker stuff and I've connected with a few Daniel Johnston pieces... I want more of these types of writers that had a completely unique approach to writing...

 

any suggestions?

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You can't go wrong by reading. Prose or poetry, fiction or non, it's all a huge resource. My attitude is that I learn from everything that I read (even if it's how not to write).;)

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Okie, you got me thinking with this question. I had a few names rattling around in my head, but then I decided to appeal to the allmighty Google. The following list was one (of several) that pulled up. I will BOLD the names of those that I have enjoyed personally as wonderful songwriters.

 

Jackson Browne - I love the I'm Alive CD

David Byrne (Talking Heads)

Captain Beefheart

Johnny Cash

Nick Cave

Kurt Cobain

Jarvis Cocker (Pulp)

Leonard Cohen

Alice Cooper

Elvis Costello

Wayne Coyne (Flaming Lips)

Ian Curtis (Joy Division)

Ray Davies (The Kinks)

Mike Doughty (Soul Coughing)

Nick Drake

Drive-by Truckers (Patterson Hood, Mike Cooley, Jason Isbell)

Bob Dylan

Steve Earle

Richey Edwards (Manic Street Preachers)

Mark Eitzel (American Music Club)

Donald Fagan (Steely Dan)

Neil Finn (Split Enz, Crowded House)

John Fogerty (Creedence Clearwater Revival)

John Hiatt

Ian Hunter (Mott The Hoople)

Robert Hunter (Grateful Dead)

Freedy Johnston

Carole King

Lemmy (Motorhead)

John Lennon (The Beatles, solo)

Stephen Malkmus (Pavement)

Jeff Mangum (Neutral Milk Hotel)

Aimee Mann

Barbara Manning

Bob Marley

Curtis Mayfield (The Impressions, solo)

Paul McCartney (The Beatles, solo)

Stephen Merritt (Magnetic Fields, 6ths, etc)

Joni Mitchell

Morrissey (The Smiths, solo)

Jim Morrison (The Doors)

Van Morrison

Dave Mustaine (Megadeth)

Randy Newman

Andy Partridge (XTC)

John Prine

Lou Reed (The Velvet Underground, solo)

Robbie Robertson (The Band)

Smokey Robinson

Ron Sexsmith

Paul Simon

Elliott Smith

Patti Smith

Bruce Springsteen - some of his earlier lyrics are quite good

Stuart Staples (Tindersticks)

Michael Stipe (R.E.M.) - for the far out, hard to understand stuff :)

Sly Stone

Richard Thompson - here's one that isn't that well known...BRILLIANT guitar player too...check out "Mirror Blue"...GREAT CD IMHO

Pete Townshend (The Who)

Jeff Tweedy (Uncle Tupelo, Wilco)

Ronnie Van Zant (Lynyrd Skynyrd)

Tom Verlaine (Television)

Tom Waits

Roger Waters (Pink Floyd)

Paul Westerberg (The Replacements)

Lucinda Williams

Stevie Wonder

Thom Yorke (Radiohead)

Neil Young

Warren Zevon

 

Many of the artists on the list I have listened to and enjoyed, but have not really studied their music as great songwriters per se.

 

Here are some others that I have enjoyed tremendously over the years:

 

David Wilcox

Glen Phillips (of Toad the Wet Sprocket fame)

Edwin McCain

Sting - also an excllent musician/arranger

Marc Cohn

Shawn Colvin

 

OK...that's about all my brain can produce at the moment. Many of these are more mainstream than you may have been asking for, but perhaps this will prime the pump and get others to throw some names out for you.

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good question...

 

John Prine

Steve Earl

Kris Kristofferson

Lucinda Williams

John Martyn

Lowell George

Ian Moore

Conor Oberst

Taj Mahal

Benjamin Gibbard

Wayne Coyne

 

This might be too in the mainstream radar. Let me know cause I could go more obscure if you'd like

 

EDIT: I was trying not to put in repeats but since I already did I'll second Jason Isbell, Jeff Tweedy, Robbie Robertson, and Carol King

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I am looking to start getting serious with my lyrics. As my playing ability increases, I find that I am just throwing meaningless collections of words in place over my music and wasting it. So I'm taking a break and going to approach writing from a completely different mind set.


I'm starting to study the lyrics of some of the greatest writers. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions for good but little known writers.. I'm going through some late scott walker stuff and I've connected with a few Daniel Johnston pieces... I want more of these types of writers that had a completely unique approach to writing...


any suggestions?

 

 

Great Wordsmith Songwriters who aren't as famous as they should be:

 

Stephen Merrit of Magnetic Fields.

Rhett Miller of Old 97's

Jill Sobule (of I kissed a Girl Fame)

Adam Schlesinger of Fountains of Wayne

 

Great Lyric Writers that are Justly Famous Yet Deserving Further Study

 

Eminem (genius at slanting Rhymes)

Jeff Tweedy (American Aquarium drinker? Yikes)

Leonard Cohen

Bernie Taupin

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Great call on Jarvis Cocker. I always forget about him when I think of good lyricists, but he's really quite clever.

 

They may not be too obscure, but I would add Robert Smith (the Cure), David Bazan (Pedro the Lion), and the guy from Frightened Rabbit.

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And just for fun - here's a list of fabulously (and fairly) bad Lyricists that never-the-less write awesome songs. There are important lessons here too in their throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-what sticks approach. Also shows that great songs don't need great lyrics.

 

Mark Bolan, T. Rex.

Noel Gallagher, Oasis

Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins

Luke Steele, Sleepy Jackson

Rufus Wainright

J. Mascis, Dinosaur Jr.

Chris Martin, Coldplay

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Chuck Berry ... he really can tell a story with his lyrics.


I'd also go back and carefully listen to those songs that turned you on to music in the first place.

 

 

I'm reading the long list of great writers as I peruse this thread and I'm thinking: Chuck Berry. Everybody forgets how great Chuck Berry's lyrics are. And then...

 

Mr. Stack. You know, dontcha?

 

Fer instance, just a single verse of Nadine.

 

 

I saw her from the corner when she turned and doubled back

And started walkin toward a coffee colored cadillac

I was pushin through the crowd to get to where shes at

And I was campaign shouting like a southern diplomat...

 

Nadine! Honey is that you?

 

 

Coffee colored Cadillac? That's freaking great.

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"American aquarium drinker" - I always loved that line. It drums up an image of a tourist drinking from one of those giant fish bowl mixers you get in Hawaii. But the way he says it makes it seem like it's all mixer and no Hawaii.

 

I actually caught myself emulating Tweedy for a spell.. not that that is a bad thing, but it was way way too similar.. I would have been called on it..lol.so I junked 4 really good songs.

 

 

Thanks for list guys. I'm going to start wading through it. I am just going to immerse myself in lyrics for a while and see if they don't rub off on me.

 

 

Great Wordsmith Songwriters who aren't as famous as they should be:


Stephen Merrit of Magnetic Fields.

Rhett Miller of Old 97's

Jill Sobule (of I kissed a Girl Fame)

Adam Schlesinger of Fountains of Wayne


Great Lyric Writers that are Justly Famous Yet Deserving Further Study


Eminem (genius at slanting Rhymes)

Jeff Tweedy (American Aquarium drinker? Yikes)

Leonard Cohen

Bernie Taupin

 

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Neil Finn. His Crowded House stuff kills me

 

Hole in the River

 

Theres a hole in the river where my auntie lies

From the land of the living to the air and sky

Left her car by the river left her shoes beside

Through the thorns and the bushes I hope she was...

 

Dreaming of glory

Miles above the mountains and plains

Free at last

 

We were touched by a cold wind, my father and I

The sound of desperate breathing... her fear inside us all

She was coming to see him but something changed her mind

Drove her down to the river

There is no return

 

Dreaming of glory

Miles above the mountains and plains

Free at last

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Had to start with Blues list.. right away.. I think I am in love with Gillian Welch.. she must be singing about Oklahoma.. we're known for our red clay

 

Brilliant song..I can't believe I have never heard of her.

 

[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

 

 

 

Also- Speirg .. Jackson Brown is amazing. Thanks for the suggestions. "These Days" is a song that hits home with me big time.

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I came to her late, too, if that's a consolation. I'd heard about her forever, and her her occasionally. I wasn't really drawn to her voice at first but one day I put on one of her albums in Rhapsody and within a couple songs I was totally hooked.

 

She seems really real. ;)

 

 

How about this: though I've been a big fan of hers for maybeclose to two years now, I think the video above is the first one I've seen by her. I really need to get over to YouTube more.

 

 

I like the fact she makes her BF work so hard on guitar. :D

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:cop:Sucking up to moderators will not be tolerated!

 

 

 

But is nonetheless greatly appreciated. :D

 

I certainly fit the little known qualification. Why, I tried to look myself up and I don't even have a Wikipedia page. (And don't qualify for one, any way I can think of, not that, you know, I think about that stuff.)

 

 

Laura Nyro!!!! I love her! Even though she died in 1997, she was amazing! I got a song book of hers and I'm learning "Save The Country". And Gibsom Street with the horns, so powerful!!!!
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She was a great writer and a unique, flavorful singer.

 

 

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I wasn't familiar with Josh Ritter, but how can you resist this bio opening (from his Wikipedia page):

Ritter was born in Idaho, in 1976, to two neuroscientists. At age 14, after hearing a copy of Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan
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The lyrics of the 'Standards' by lyricists such as E.Y. 'Yip' Harburg, Ira Gershwin, Irving Berlin, etc. are worth studying. And not nearly as old fashioned as you might think.

 

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john

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You know the cool thing about this thread.. I'm getting to know a lot of artists by their lyrics before I hear them. I am looking up lyrics and deciding if I like them.. Thats getting me into some people that I might not have given a chance otherwise..

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