Members chaosStrings Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 What I'd like to see more on guitar amps are more versatile EQs. Bassists are used to things like parametric mids, full-blown graphic EQs and whatnot but guitar amps tend to stick to the ol' bass-middle-treble EQ setup. I really liked how my old Yamaha DG80 combo had an active EQ with separate controls for low and high mids. After all, mids are very important in guitar tone so why not have more control over them? As for size, I don't think it's really a problem of tubes but the transformers tend to be pretty big. Even the ones that use toroidal transformers take quite a bit of space. That's probably also where a big part of the weight comes from. Implementig a guitar amp with an active eq would require lots of tubes (and consequent heating -> bigger power transformer), whereas opamp based ones would be simple, little and very effective. But then you'd hear the tube purists say: oh noes the fragile harmonics are killed in the crystal lattice ... The sad thing is that most solid state amps are built with the same stupid and inefficient passive eqs of tube amps, whereas active ones would be easiliy implemented and would increase enormously the amp possibilities ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 Implementig a guitar amp with an active eq would require lots of tubes (and consequent heating -> bigger power transformer), whereas opamp based ones would be simple, little and very effective. Um no. If you'd make an active EQ outof tubes you'd probably need 2-3 tubes for it, which wouldnt require any bigger power transformer for the extra 3mA per tube.Anyways, there are several active EQ amps out there like the Mesa Marks, Randall V2, Carvins and more and more. If active EQ is your thing, then buy an amp with an active EQ, or a damned EQ pedal.-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chaosStrings Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 Course you need a bigger transformer. 300mA for the heating of each tube. And Mesa Eqs are transistor based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlackHive Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 If they made a Line6 Pod that was the same size as it is right now but it had an integrated 100-500W+ power amp like the ones used in those bass amps, I WOULD buy one. That would be amazing for things like practice sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 300W @ 8 ohms is going to get you squat against a 412 or 212 50W guitard rig, much less 2 of them vs. drums.My Titan is 1200W @ 4 ohms, and heavy as {censored}. But it's Mesa, so go figure. Their neo/lightweight cabs are heavier than most manuf's "regular", non-neo designs. I'd be scared to knock that amp off my cab and step on it.But lots of people like MB stuff. It sounds nice, and is priced right. Clipping on guitar = good. Clipping on bass = usually not good, so as was mentioned, headroom is your god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamackie Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 300W @ 8 ohms is going to get you squat against a 412 or 212 50W guitard rig, much less 2 of them vs. drums. My Titan is 1200W @ 4 ohms, and heavy as {censored}. But it's Mesa, so go figure. Their neo/lightweight cabs are heavier than most manuf's "regular", non-neo designs. I'd be scared to knock that amp off my cab and step on it. But lots of people like MB stuff. It sounds nice, and is priced right. Clipping on guitar = good. Clipping on bass = usually not good, so as was mentioned, headroom is your god. You do realize you're not in the bass forum, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HKSblade1 Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 Sweetest backup amp ! Crate was nutz for discontinuing but I got mine for $60 on clearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BAXANDALL Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 I don't know guys. I have a solid state 600 watt Genz Benz class D bass head and a 400ish watt all tube Mesa Boogie 400+. I gotta say the tube Mesa blows the 200+ more watts GB away. The GB sounds awesome but can't produce that intense punch that the Mesa does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted July 23, 2009 Members Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sweetest backup amp ! Crate was nutz for discontinuing but I got mine for $60 on clearance I carry mine to every gig. Never had to use it, but I know it sounds good enough with my pedalboard to get me through a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 23, 2009 Members Share Posted July 23, 2009 You do realize you're not in the bass forum, right?Weird. I swear this thread has "bass amps" in the title. You should check with the OP. He's a bastard for posting this, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamackie Posted July 23, 2009 Members Share Posted July 23, 2009 Weird. I swear this thread has "bass amps" in the title. You should check with the OP. He's a bastard for posting this, obviously. It's that "guitard" crack what prompted this, not the topic.Incidentally, this question is of interest to me, as I have mighty bass GAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 23, 2009 Members Share Posted July 23, 2009 It's that "guitard" crack what prompted this, not the topic.Incidentally, this question is of interest to me, as I have mighty bass GAS. Guitard is what I call both guitarists in my band. I use it all the time. It's like calling your homeboy "bitch". It's no biggie mang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Two-Buck Tim Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 If you care about weight and size, that means you're gigging. If you're gigging, you don't need the microscopic emotional perfection of tubes, you need something that won't break and is easy to carry. Nobody can hear your microscopic emotional perfection and nobody cares. I've been playing tubes since the Sixties but there's no sense being an idiot about it. Home: Tubes Gig: Transistors T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jisatsu Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 Look at this: $600 brand new, 300W at 8ohms, with a 4 band EQ. Weighs 7 lbs. And its tiny. I want a small, cheap, powerful, and light guitar amp that sounds decent. Any out there? Just use that with a guitar...I don't see the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members K-Bizzle Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 If you care about weight and size, that means you're gigging.If you're gigging, you don't need the microscopic emotional perfection of tubes, you need something that won't break and is easy to carry. Nobody can hear your microscopic emotional perfection and nobody cares.I've been playing tubes since the Sixties but there's no sense being an idiot about it. Home: TubesGig: TransistorsT Fighting words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CliffC8488 Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 i will be 100% willing to use SS/digital amps when they can soft clip without odd order harmonics...just like tubes do The harmonic content of clipping has nothing to do with "softness". It has to do with asymmetry. And tubes tend to be quite asymmetrical and therefore produce LOTS of odd harmonics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 If you care about weight and size, that means you're gigging.If you're gigging, you don't need the microscopic emotional perfection of tubes, you need something that won't break and is easy to carry. Nobody can hear your microscopic emotional perfection and nobody cares.I've been playing tubes since the Sixties but there's no sense being an idiot about it. Home: TubesGig: TransistorsT I don't buy my amps to leave at home. If something happens to one of them, I'll use another until the main amp is fixed. The point is, I care, and I play better when I actually enjoy the sound coming from my rig. I'm sure I could step down to a Hot Rod Deville (and have before), but I'd rather lug my 47 year old Concert around. That said, I would have had no problems gigging with my Vox AD60vtx if I was in a cover band, or as the backup to said Fender Concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joemudge4 Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 http://www.acousticimg.com/index2.html Ran an acoustic image clarus with a roland vg88 for a couple of years. It sounded pretty awesome for a modeling rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bgmaggot Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 1: Play directly into a powered mixer. 2: ????????? 3: Profit! (or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members teemuk Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 The harmonic content of clipping has nothing to do with "softness". It has to do with asymmetry. And tubes tend to be quite asymmetrical and therefore produce LOTS of odd harmonics. That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unstrung Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 Do want Can it do teh br00tz? With some pedals in front it certainly can. Just a bit more crunch on board than a JCM800 on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members breakingstring Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 Bassist= Add strings, change electronics, change the way they play,multi way amplification and they are happy. Guitarists= Never happy. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sc4589 Posted July 25, 2009 Members Share Posted July 25, 2009 ... or try a SansAmp GT2. Amps in a stompbox. Line 6 suck plums. I never, ever, ever want to hear a {censored}ing POD ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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