Moderators justcrash Posted January 27, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 27, 2010 still waiting HA! You know whats funny... you would think I would know more about that than the average bear... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Juggernaut- Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 cuz the admins don't love you like we do.... :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randall Aiken Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 yeah, but it's always nicer when they actually contribute. The problem is that, as an amp manufacturer, there is a fine line between participation and spamming. As many of you know, I'm all about amp discussion - I eat, sleep, and dream maps, I mean...amps. I have been active on the internet since the very early days of newsgroups like alt.guitar.amps. I love reading all the different forums on a daily basis, but I rarely post on any of them because it would be too much like self-promotion or spamming. Forums are a very useful source of information for manufacturers, they are a way to quickly put out details on new products and get instant feedback from the players of your amps in order to make product improvements. But it is a double-edged sword - it can also be a way to quickly sink your ship and get a bad reputation - people usually don't remember the good things they read about you, but they never forget the bad things! As a manufacturer, you have to tread very carefully and watch what you say, to avoid being perceived in a bad light. That is why you don't see many manufacturers posting on forums, but you can bet they all read them regularly...Randall Aiken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 The problem is that, as an amp manufacturer, there is a fine line between participation and spamming. As many of you know, I'm all about amp discussion - I eat, sleep, and dream maps, I mean...amps. I have been active on the internet since the very early days of newsgroups like alt.guitar.amps. I love reading all the different forums on a daily basis, but I rarely post on any of them because it would be too much like self-promotion or spamming. Forums are a very useful source of information for manufacturers, they are a way to quickly put out details on new products and get instant feedback from the players of your amps in order to make product improvements. But it is a double-edged sword - it can also be a way to quickly sink your ship and get a bad reputation - people usually don't remember the good things they read about you, but they never forget the bad things! As a manufacturer, you have to tread very carefully and watch what you say, to avoid being perceived in a bad light. That is why you don't see many manufacturers posting on forums, but you can bet they all read them regularly... Randall Aiken Woah, amp royality just arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THEE HAMMER Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Woah, amp royality just arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators justcrash Posted January 27, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 27, 2010 The problem is that, as an amp manufacturer, there is a fine line between participation and spamming. As many of you know, I'm all about amp discussion - I eat, sleep, and dream maps, I mean...amps. I have been active on the internet since the very early days of newsgroups like alt.guitar.amps. I love reading all the different forums on a daily basis, but I rarely post on any of them because it would be too much like self-promotion or spamming. Forums are a very useful source of information for manufacturers, they are a way to quickly put out details on new products and get instant feedback from the players of your amps in order to make product improvements. But it is a double-edged sword - it can also be a way to quickly sink your ship and get a bad reputation - people usually don't remember the good things they read about you, but they never forget the bad things! As a manufacturer, you have to tread very carefully and watch what you say, to avoid being perceived in a bad light. That is why you don't see many manufacturers posting on forums, but you can bet they all read them regularly... Randall Aiken Stick around sir, it'll get better. I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcr23 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Yessir, just trying to throw some perspective out there. BTW I'm on page 70-something, slow goings right now It puts me to sleep and I wrote it so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 On the flipside, being too builder friendly can turn a forum into the online equivalent of a large interactive banner ad/running commercial with a fake layer of censored interactivity floating on top to legitimize it.If you aren't allowed to express an opinion that isn't anything but fanboi backslaps and builder pandering there is no use for a forum imo. The best forums have always had a nice balance and not too skewed in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 On the flipside, being too builder friendly can turn a forum into the online equivalent of a large interactive banner ad/running commercial with a fake layer of censored interactivity floating on top to legitimize it. If you aren't allowed to express an opinion that isn't anything but fanboi backslaps and builder pandering there is no use for a forum imo. The best forums have always had a nice balance and not too skewed in either direction. This. We {censored}ing need criticism, but it should be individually based and not bandwagoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randall Aiken Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 On the flipside, being too builder friendly can turn a forum into the online equivalent of a large interactive banner ad/running commercial with a fake layer of censored interactivity floating on top to legitimize it. If you aren't allowed to express an opinion that isn't anything but fanboi backslaps and builder pandering there is no use for a forum imo. Exactly! Guitar players tend to be a very loyal group of people, and if you hang around on a forum and post often enough, you develop friendships, and those people are then unlikely to criticize you, even if you deserve it. Some manufacturers take advantage of this and jump into almost every post, and then nobody in the group wants to say anything bad about their products, because they've developed a relationship with that person, or they fear what the builder might say on the forum if they post something negative about their products.On the one hand, it's great to get personal interaction with the builder, but as you mentioned, it can stifle warranted criticism. In my opinion, it is best for a builder to be available to answer important questions when they come up, but they should maintain a relatively low profile to avoid this kind of situation. It also goes the other way, too - because of such strong brand loyalty, some people go overboard in criticizing other products they don't care for. As a builder, you hate to see someone saying bad things about your products, but after awhile you learn what is constructive criticism and what is just someone venting because they like another product better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you can never please everyone!Randall Aiken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Jet city is doing everything right. They asked us what we wanted as players and it seems they've added a mod that we all pretty much said we would want. Such a simple concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chris_d Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Mr Aiken, you are fantastic. Your tech pages are awesome and have been very useful to very many builders and players, and your demeanor is refreshingly measured and rational. Thank you for everything you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randall Aiken Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Mr Aiken, you are fantastic. Your tech pages are awesome and have been very useful to very many builders and players, and your demeanor is refreshingly measured and rational. Thank you for everything you do. Thanks! Now if I could just get all the women to think that... RA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randall Aiken Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Woah, amp royality just arrived Nah, more like the court jester... RA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesPeters Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Exactly! Guitar players tend to be a very loyal group of people, and if you hang around on a forum and post often enough, you develop friendships, and those people are then unlikely to criticize you, even if you deserve it. Some manufacturers take advantage of this and jump into almost every post, and then nobody in the group wants to say anything bad about their products, because they've developed a relationship with that person, or they fear what the builder might say on the forum if they post something negative about their products.On the one hand, it's great to get personal interaction with the builder, but as you mentioned, it can stifle warranted criticism. In my opinion, it is best for a builder to be available to answer important questions when they come up, but they should maintain a relatively low profile to avoid this kind of situation. It also goes the other way, too - because of such strong brand loyalty, some people go overboard in criticizing other products they don't care for. As a builder, you hate to see someone saying bad things about your products, but after awhile you learn what is constructive criticism and what is just someone venting because they like another product better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you can never please everyone!Randall Aiken PLUS ONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamackie Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Nah, more like the court jester... RA If those tech pages are jokes, they are certainly knowledgeable and reassuring ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Exactly! Guitar players tend to be a very loyal group of people, and if you hang around on a forum and post often enough, you develop friendships, and those people are then unlikely to criticize you, even if you deserve it. Some manufacturers take advantage of this and jump into almost every post, and then nobody in the group wants to say anything bad about their products, because they've developed a relationship with that person, or they fear what the builder might say on the forum if they post something negative about their products. On the one hand, it's great to get personal interaction with the builder, but as you mentioned, it can stifle warranted criticism. In my opinion, it is best for a builder to be available to answer important questions when they come up, but they should maintain a relatively low profile to avoid this kind of situation. It also goes the other way, too - because of such strong brand loyalty, some people go overboard in criticizing other products they don't care for. As a builder, you hate to see someone saying bad things about your products, but after awhile you learn what is constructive criticism and what is just someone venting because they like another product better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you can never please everyone! Randall Aiken You have no idea how many times I have read your website's technical papers. Thanks for all that info! -D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GodBlessTexas Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Exactly! Guitar players tend to be a very loyal group of people, and if you hang around on a forum and post often enough, you develop friendships, and those people are then unlikely to criticize you, even if you deserve it. Some manufacturers take advantage of this and jump into almost every post, and then nobody in the group wants to say anything bad about their products, because they've developed a relationship with that person, or they fear what the builder might say on the forum if they post something negative about their products. On the one hand, it's great to get personal interaction with the builder, but as you mentioned, it can stifle warranted criticism. In my opinion, it is best for a builder to be available to answer important questions when they come up, but they should maintain a relatively low profile to avoid this kind of situation. It also goes the other way, too - because of such strong brand loyalty, some people go overboard in criticizing other products they don't care for. As a builder, you hate to see someone saying bad things about your products, but after awhile you learn what is constructive criticism and what is just someone venting because they like another product better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you can never please everyone! Randall Aiken I you, and I don't own anything you've ever made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I you, and I don't own anything you've ever made! That's what you say to all the sailors too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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