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in the 70's, Japan started copying our guitars. why haven't they caught up in amps?


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Tokai had some pretty kick-ass SS amps in the '60's and early '70's.

There used to be a brand called Elk that were made in Japan and copied the look of the Fender amps of the day, but not the circuit.

But can't think of a big internationally popular, production Japanese amp company.

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There were tons of Japanese amp makers in the 1960's - 1970's, there still are. Biggest and most recognised today are likely Yamaha, Roland, Ibanez, and KORG, that has its hands on both Marshall and especially Vox. Plenty of modern Vox amps are Japanese KORG designs and since Univox days to 2010 KORG was running Marshall and Vox distribution in USA.

Then there's "smaller" companies mainly specialising to "bargain" amp categories, TASCAM/Teac, Zoom, Daphon, Samick, Suzuki (that owns Leslie and Hammond brands), and Fernandes (that also owns Hiwatt trademark in North America).

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There were tons of Japanese amp makers in the 1960's - 1970's, there still are. Biggest and most recognised today are likely Yamaha, Roland, and Korg who has its hands on both Marshall and especially Vox. Plenty of modern Vox amps are Japanese Korg designs.

 

 

Ah, that brings up one of the most famous vintage Japanese amp brand...Univox, which is the company that became Korg.

 

Roland JC series is definitely a famous line.

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There were tons of Japanese amp makers in the 1960's - 1970's, there still are. Biggest and most recognised today are likely Yamaha, Roland, Ibanez, and KORG, that has its hands on both Marshall and especially Vox. Plenty of modern Vox amps are Japanese KORG designs and since Univox days to 2010 KORG was running Marshall and Vox distribution in USA.


Then there's "smaller" companies mainly specialising to "bargain" amp categories, TASCAM/Teac, Zoom, Daphon, Samick, Suzuki (that owns Leslie and Hammond brands), and Fernandes (that also owns Hiwatt trademark in North America).

 

 

Most of those are probably made in China though.

 

I start sounding like a broken record but I really like the Yamaha DG amps. They were years ahead of the competing modelers and had the exact right idea what a modeler should be - not some emulation collection of specific amps but digital technology simply harnessed to replicate tube tone. It sounded like its own thing, its amp models were generically named, it had a great user interface and just the right amount of effects. None of this 100 of everything crap they do these days just to have impressive feature lists. The amps were made in Japan and combos came with top notch Celestion speakers.

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Most of those are probably made in China though.

 

 

Most likely, as pretty much the majority of today's amps are made in China, Korea or some other cheap Asian country. I was merely going from the point of view that the company / trademark is a Japanese one.

 

But anyway, I think with today's globalism the lines are quite blurred. Japan was a cheap country to manufacture stuff (eg. guitars and amps) back in the days but not so much any more. Now a lot of the production has transferred to cheaper countries. I think it has happened with the guitars today as much as it has happened with amps.

 

Then you have international, global businesses owned by shareholders from around the globe and having subsidiaries and divisions in various countries.

 

Take "Vox" for example: the trademark was originally owned by British Jennings Musical Instruments but later it was purchased by Rose Morris, which was later then acquired by Japanese Korg, Inc. and transformed to division named Korg UK Ltd. They setup a company named Vox Amplification Ltd. to handle the production of products carrying Vox trademark and to operate "sort of" individually from the distributing arms. The modern Vox amps are therefore product of collaboration with British, American and Japanese designers - or sometimes only design crews from one of those countries.

 

Then, KORG/Vox can manufacture their amps either in China or in UK, or sometimes in some other random country, usually contracting suitable manufacturing houses / factories in whatever place they are cheapest or most convenient by some other manner. In some cases many similar companies may even buy some of their products as OEM - usually from various Asian companies that have specilialized in that sort of industry. Take for example Vox AC-15RI: Korg contracted the production of that model to American boutique amp manufacturer Bedrock, Inc. Later Marshall Amplification Plc. (which also has affiliations with KORG) snatched that manufacturing deal from Bedrock. You have also Vox amps that are designed by Tony Bruno or series like Valvetronix that are pretty much Japanese design courtesy of Korg's engineers.

 

It's not a black & white thing anymore. Biggest companies are global now.

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The circuit boards and components are too large for the robots to manufacture efficiently. Also, amps last too long and do not outdate often enough. Much more money in cell phones and stuff with the micro circuits that people use for 6 months to a year then discard it and buy a new improved model. I don't buy into that crap. I've has the same cell phone for 6 years..lol. Probably be another 6 years till I buy a new one.

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To kinda go back to why there just didn't seem to be clones by Japanese companies, especially in the '70's...I really don't know of a reason they couldn't have. They just never seem to do it.

 

Perhaps tube design wasn't as popular in Japan since they didn't have the same cold-war arms build-up that the US/Europe/USSR did. Tubes were super available in those areas because until late in the 1980's their militaries all still used tube technology. Where as Japan had a chance to modernize during their reconstruction.

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