Members ACLONERANGER Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ask the 20,000 + Military folks that have 12 years of service or better who just got booted out of a career with only a few years left till they were eligible for retirement (basically fired) just so Obama could meet budget he spent passing a socialist healthcare system that determines who deserves to be healthy and who doesn't. I'm pretty sure they have a great oppinion of the current Commander in Chief. But wait....it was the Military who put him on the chalkboard this election with the Bin laden kill. What a ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stevetemp Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 You mean the parts the Supreme court ruled as constitutional? lol lol....lol.....lol. and lol.Yes...I mean the parts Obama said WASN'T a new tax.....then for the SC to rule it "Constitutional"...said it WAS a tax. The once again said it WASN'T a tax.lol lol lol lol lol The U.S. Supreme Court today voted to uphold the Affordable Care Act, refusing to overturn the unpopular law and sending the issue back to voters to decide in the upcoming presidential election.The 5-4 decision found the individual mandate at the heart of the law was a tax and therefore allowable under Congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apep Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 You vote for Jesus. Duh. [video=youtube;y-yYwdN5aN8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robson780 Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 If someone told me to read a passage from the bible before I vote I'd tell them to go {censored} their dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GREC Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Tell them to watch this before they vote....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TurboRotary13b Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 I do believe that we were founeded using Christian ideals Name one institution, law, or whatever that is exclusively christian that we were founded on.. Name one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Name one institution, law, or whatever that is exclusively christian that we were founded on.. Name one. Does it matter if it is only exclusive to Christianity? Of the 250 or so founding fathers who passed the Declaration, Constitution and Bill of Rights, almost of all of them were ordained pastors and ministers. http://toulonbaptist.com/foundingfathers.htm No doubt you will blast the reference, but history has been washed clean by secularism. The desire to replace the church as the center of moral direction with "experts" from academia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Does it matter if it is only exclusive to Christianity? Of the 250 or so founding fathers who passed the Declaration, Constitution and Bill of Rights, almost of all of them were ordained pastors and ministers.http://toulonbaptist.com/foundingfathers.htmNo doubt you will blast the reference, but history has been washed clean by secularism. The desire to replace the church as the center of moral direction with "experts" from academia. For me, it doesn't matter what faiths the founding fathers may have had; unfortunately, mainstream religion has become a massive business and has little to do with morality at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ask the 20,000 + Military folks that have 12 years of service or better who just got booted out of a career with only a few years left till they were eligible for retirement (basically fired) just so Obama could meet budget he spent passing a socialist healthcare system that determines who deserves to be healthy and who doesn't. I'm pretty sure they have a great oppinion of the current Commander in Chief. But wait....it was the Military who put him on the chalkboard this election with the Bin laden kill. What a ass. You mean the budget cuts that got forced because the {censored}wads in congress kept blocking every attempt to pass any meaningful legislation? You know, the GOP (Gridlock Only Party) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TurboRotary13b Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Does it matter if it is only exclusive to Christianity? Of the 250 or so founding fathers who passed the Declaration, Constitution and Bill of Rights, almost of all of them were ordained pastors and ministers.http://toulonbaptist.com/foundingfathers.htmNo doubt you will blast the reference, but history has been washed clean by secularism. The desire to replace the church as the center of moral direction with "experts" from academia. Blast the reference? No...... Why would I do that? I wont even go into how much bull{censored} is in that link that I have seen and debated probably 50 times now. To the original point though... When you make the claim that America is a christian nation then there should be evidence.. The fact there none of our laws are exclusively christian points to this being complete bull{censored} as well. You can look at any other country that is based on a religion and see laws exclusive to that religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 For me, it doesn't matter what faiths the founding fathers may have had; unfortunately, mainstream religion has become a massive business and has little to do with morality at this point. Agreed. But the faith itself is still pure as were the ideals of those who relied on that faith for the creation of our nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 You mean the budget cuts that got forced because the {censored}wads in congress kept blocking every attempt to pass any meaningful legislation? You know, the GOP (Gridlock Only Party) You are such a partisan hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Blast the reference? No...... Why would I do that? I wont even go into how much bull{censored} is in that link that I have seen and debated probably 50 times now. To the original point though... When you make the claim that America is a christian nation then there should be evidence.. The fact there none of our laws are exclusively christian points to this being complete bull{censored} as well. You can look at any other country that is based on a religion and see laws exclusive to that religion. I provide you with proof of the faith of our founding fathers...and you deny it. I guess the world is flat after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TurboRotary13b Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 I provide you with proof of the faith of our founding fathers...and you deny it. I guess the world is flat after all. Proof my ass. I quit now. This is already hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 One of the many attacks on our country from the Religious Right is the claim that our country is a Christian Nation...not just that the majority of people are Christians, but that the country itself was founded by Christians, for Christians. However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. Those people who spread this lie are known as Christian Revisionists. They are attempting to rewrite history, in much the same way as holocaust deniers are. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. They were Freethinkers who relied on their reason, not their faith. If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"-- but as you will soon see, that's the language of Deism, not Christianity. The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" .This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. heres some writting from john adams. "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -letter to Thomas Jefferson "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." Thomas Jefferson, because he was the author of the Declaration of Independence and the embodiment of our nation's expressions of freedom, is the Founding Father who is most often claimed by the Christians as one of their own. Unfortunately-- for them-- he left behind many writings which lead us to conclude that his beliefs were quite different from those of the common christian. The claim that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian can only be made by someone who has never read his original writings. Christians may think that just because he mentions "god", that makes him a Christian just like them. Jefferson absolutely believed in a god-- but not the god of orthodox Christianity. He was a Deist (Nature's God), not a Christian (the trinitarian God of Abraham and Isaac). Thomas Jefferson did not believe in the Trinity, and he said so.Thomas Jefferson did not believe in the virgin birth of Jesus,and did not believe that Jesus was God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dughaze Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Criticism of the Bible and Christianity = huge red flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Does it matter if it is only exclusive to Christianity? Of the 250 or so founding fathers who passed the Declaration, Constitution and Bill of Rights, almost of all of them were ordained pastors and ministers.http://toulonbaptist.com/foundingfathers.htmNo doubt you will blast the reference, but history has been washed clean by secularism. The desire to replace the church as the center of moral direction with "experts" from academia. Our nation was originally setup as a haven for people who wanted to come here to worship as they saw fit. What that means is we had a bunch of nutters that were chased out of Europe for being on the fringe of various sides of established religions. We're most definitely not a "Christian" nation. We're a secular nation where people are free to worship the shrub in their yard if they feel the desire. Our legal system comes mostly from British common law, not from any sort of biblical bull{censored}. lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 You are such a partisan hack. lol... this coming from the Echoes of the Amps forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Criticism of the Bible and Christianity = huge red flags. Worshiping imaginary friends = huge red flags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dicky sofa Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 mother {censored}ing {censored} but there are some mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, unibrow sporting dumb {censored}s all up in this bitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 mother {censored}ing {censored} but there are some mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, unibrow sporting dumb {censored}s all up in this bitch... I'm sorry... I'll go wax that {censored} now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 One of the many attacks on our country from the Religious Right is the claim that our country is a Christian Nation...not just that the majority of people are Christians, but that the country itself was founded by Christians, for Christians. However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. Those people who spread this lie are known as Christian Revisionists. They are attempting to rewrite history, in much the same way as holocaust deniers are. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. They were Freethinkers who relied on their reason, not their faith. If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea that the power to rule over other people comes from god. It was a letter from the Colonies to the English King, stating their intentions to seperate themselves. The Declaration is not a governing document. It mentions "Nature's God" and "Divine Providence"-- but as you will soon see, that's the language of Deism, not Christianity. The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" .This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.heres some writting from john adams."I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -letter to Thomas Jefferson "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." This is revisionist history. No one that I am aware of believes that this nation was only founded for Christians in the same way that Iran was founded only for Muslims. That is a dispersion you are casting on people to create a false narrative. You are creating enemies out of no where. Don Quixote. Ever heard of a fella named Martin Luther? Yeah, he is the one who single handedly birthed the idea that God alone is divine and that no man is a gateway between men and their deity. The same line of thought that brought forth the idea that God does not pick monarchs. What Thomas Jefferson wrote about the consent of the governed came directly from John Locke. I challenge you to read any of his treatises; you will find NOTHING but Christian reasoning showing the logic behind the consent of the governed and also the premise of freewill and man's responsibility to himself alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Many of Locke's political ideas were specifically drawn from British theologian Richard Hooker,Thats neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 This is revisionist history. No one that I am aware of believes that this nation was only founded for Christians in the same way that Iran was founded only for Muslims. That is a dispersion you are casting on people to create a false narrative. You are creating enemies out of no where. Don Quixote. Ever heard of a fella named Martin Luther? Yeah, he is the one who single handedly birthed the idea that God alone is divine and that no man is a gateway between men and their deity. The same line of thought that brought forth the idea that God does not pick monarchs. What Thomas Jefferson wrote about the consent of the governed came directly from John Locke. I challenge you to read any of his treatises; you will find NOTHING but Christian reasoning showing the logic behind the consent of the governed and also the premise of freewill and man's responsibility to himself alone. Luther was important but Calvin had alot of the same ideas. You can't pass logic and well reasoned thought off as the plaything of religion. Religion thrives on dogma which is anathema to logic and freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Luther was important but Calvin had alot of the same ideas. You can't pass logic and well reasoned thought off as the plaything of religion. Religion thrives on dogma which is anathema to logic and freedom. Luther was slightly before Calvin's time. Religion and faith are two different things. In fact, faith is the mechanism by which men create religion to subjugate other men. Hence the whole purpose of Martin Luther; he broke down that barrier between God and His people that called itself "the church." Logic and reason are found in the Bible everywhere. The gospels themselves specifically speak to Martin Luther's conclusion. It is evident just by reading the text. People use "religion" to cop a fix much in the same way a heroin addict does. They both burn up because they are worshiping the wrong things. True faith in God leads to repulsion of the modern church and all forms of it. True faith is a relationship between God and His people on a singular level. When man feels this, he worships the one thing he was created to worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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