UK types: anyone in receipt of benefits?

[satannica]

Bollocks, you just spouting 2nd hand politics.

I would say sharing experience in a public forum. It's up to you if you like it or not

 

There is more people going to university now than there was in the early 90's, it's only dropped recently because people are worried about tuition fee's.

 

Now who's spouting 2nd hand politics?

 

Something I have noticed about the UK since I left, people moan and moan and moan about the government this and the government that. But do {censored} all about it. If you don't like it do something about it.

Like what? I doubt if anyone is 100% happy with any system of Government, I'm glad we live in a country where we can freely have opinions.

 

And Satanica, it has been noted you seem to have worked for every government agency or job that is being discussed.

 

Sorry if my previous job history is inconvenient to you. I hope in the future I can be on the dole so as not to prove such an annoyance

 

Oh yea, I'm applying for like the CIA an {censored}! I'm gonna totally be Michael Weston!

[Neilrocks25]

I would say sharing experience in a public forum. It's up to you if you like it or not Now who's spouting 2nd hand politics? Like what? I doubt if anyone is 100% happy with any system of Government, I'm glad we live in a country where we can freely have opinions. Sorry if my previous job history is inconvenient to you. I hope in the future I can be on the dole so as not to prove such an annoyance Oh yea, I'm applying for like the CIA an {censored}! I'm gonna totally be Michael Weston!

 

Good reply

[Megadeth Man]

Re University Fees, I think the top performers and those who've proved they're actually willing to work hard should be given free uni education -- the top 15-25%?

I'm not in favour of giving it free to everyone though; there are too many time-wasters who just go to avoid getting a job and thick bastards who are not worth investing the dough in.

[satannica]

Re University Fees, I think the top performers and those who've proved they're actually willing to work hard should be given free uni education -- the top 15-25%? I'm not in favour of giving it free to everyone though; there are too many time-wasters who just go to avoid getting a job and thick bastards who are not worth investing the dough in.

 

I hear you, but how do you measure that? There's a very thin line between saying a certain percentage gets it free and saying only those from the exact right backgrounds get it free. OK, I guess when it comes to education, I have fairly socialist views, but that's because I believe that it's the way to progress a society. What labour did was set the population back by 100 years!

 

I understand the point of view of idiots who never tried in school, left with nothing and went to work in the factory packing toothpaste tubes. But, I also feel the day that guy grows up and realises he wants something more than a factory job, the system should be there for him to do something about it. It used to be there, now it is not. Unless you count the Job Centre sending people on useless "how to speak to other people" courses or the attitude of "One day, someone may let you stack shelves in Tesco, won't that be something to look forward to...".

 

The point is, the means should be there, but it's your sweat.

 

On the subject of uni types, sure there are people who just take the ride, turn up and spend their time drinking. But I don't know any who got passed year 1 like that; mainly as if you didn't make the grade, you didn't get on to year 2. Or at least, where I went.

[Ron Burgandy]

Welcome to American problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Government guaranteed loans which kids can take out regardless of their situation. So everyone is able to go to school even if they shouldn't. Except it is so far from free it's not funny. To further add to the issue, we have for profit "schools" that are dedicated to pulling in student loan funds and then providing {censored} "education". These schools are solely focused on getting low income people signed up for student loans since the people can't be denied the loans. The 'degrees' they sell are meaningless in the workplace.

[Megadeth Man]

My favourite government news this week is the Tory Justice Secretary announcing he's trying to get the self-defence law changed from allowing "reasonable force" to allowing "disproportionate force".

 

The general mood amongst the public, police and justice system means that you're unlikely to get done for shooting a burglar, but this would take away all doubt.

 

And in Cameron's speech on the EU budget talks his thinly veiled contempt for the EU was quite enjoyable. Hopefully his long term manoeuvre is to put Britain in an untenable position with EU demands in order to force a public referendum on leaving.

 

I hear you, but how do you measure that? There's a very thin line between saying a certain percentage gets it free and saying only those from the exact right backgrounds get it free. OK, I guess when it comes to education, I have fairly socialist views, but that's because I believe that it's the way to progress a society. What labour did was set the population back by 100 years! I understand the point of view of idiots who never tried in school, left with nothing and went to work in the factory packing toothpaste tubes. But, I also feel the day that guy grows up and realises he wants something more than a factory job, the system should be there for him to do something about it. It used to be there, now it is not. Unless you count the Job Centre sending people on useless "how to speak to other people" courses or the attitude of "One day, someone may let you stack shelves in Tesco, won't that be something to look forward to...". The point is, the means should be there, but it's your sweat. On the subject of uni types, sure there are people who just take the ride, turn up and spend their time drinking. But I don't know any who got passed year 1 like that; mainly as if you didn't make the grade, you didn't get on to year 2. Or at least, where I went.

 

Yeah, setting the dividing line would be the point of contention...

 

But in principle I don't think every single person should be, or would benefit from, being in the education system from age 4-23+.

 

I saw that the school leaving age is changing from 16 to 18, those extra two years should benefit the plebs who wouldn't make my imaginary cut and give others a second chance to get serious.

[satannica]

I have a lot of confidence in Cameron. However he's constantly got that noose of Liberal Democrat around his neck who pull him up on almost anything he tries to do. It's a shame; it's a Government with policies such as Cameron's that we need right now - if not moreso. Miliband flat out scares me - to the point where if I thought he'd get into office, I'd even vote tactically to ensure he doesn't. Even Lib Dem!

 

Yeah, setting the dividing line would be the point of contention... But in principle I don't think every single person should be, or would benefit from, being in the education system from age 4-23+. I saw that the school leaving age is changing from 16 to 18, those extra two years should benefit the plebs who wouldn't make my imaginary cut and give others a second chance to get serious.

 

It depends. I think everyone needs a compulsory education and I believe a year of that should be proper work experience. Even if that's provided by the Government, even if an alternative is National Service. Kids these days need discipline but, IMO, could use a proper smackdown of what life is like in the real world. I wanted to leave school at 16; my Dad promptly took me out on a building site over Xmas, Easter and Summer. I won't say I didn't have fun with it, but {censored} it was hard. It was a damn good lesson too, namely I'm built to be on the ground, not 30 stories up.

 

Sadly, dumbing down education standards is exactly what Labour did. A-Level pure/statistics mathematics papers from 96/97 are incredibly more difficult than 2006/2007. IMO, 2003 is the second they became overly simplified and they've declined since then. I hate saying it as I hate taking away from someone who studies hard to get good grades, but they are easier!

[Caulk Rocket]

I'd like to thank the UK. America looks decent for once.

[Neilrocks25]

 

I have a lot of confidence in Cameron. However he's constantly got that noose of Liberal Democrat around his neck who pull him up on almost anything he tries to do. It's a shame; it's a Government with policies such as Cameron's that we need right now - if not moreso. Miliband flat out scares me - to the point where if I thought he'd get into office, I'd even vote tactically to ensure he doesn't. Even Lib Dem! It depends. I think everyone needs a compulsory education and I believe a year of that should be proper work experience. Even if that's provided by the Government, even if an alternative is National Service. Kids these days need discipline but, IMO, could use a proper smackdown of what life is like in the real world. I wanted to leave school at 16; my Dad promptly took me out on a building site over Xmas, Easter and Summer. I won't say I didn't have fun with it, but {censored} it was hard. It was a damn good lesson too, namely I'm built to be on the ground, not 30 stories up. Sadly, dumbing down education standards is exactly what Labour did. A-Level pure/statistics mathematics papers from 96/97 are incredibly more difficult than 2006/2007. IMO, 2003 is the second they became overly simplified and they've declined since then. I hate saying it as I hate taking away from someone who studies hard to get good grades, but they are easier!

 

 

Stop spouting Tory manifesto, come on The Tories {censored}ed up the UK as much as labour.

 

If you are so good why are you working your ass off for no money, do something about it.

and your precious government have been in power for 2 years and its still {censored}.. and I like the prime minister but the finance minister is {censored}ed.

[Cirrus]

IMO, 2003 is the second they became overly simplified and they've declined since then. I hate saying it as I hate taking away from someone who studies hard to get good grades, but they are easier!

 

 

2003 was a year, not a second.

 

Again, I have to tell you to get your facts right.

[satannica]

2003 was a year, not a second. Again, I have to tell you to get your facts right.

 

Years have seconds. Many of them - at least six. Someone told me that, it must be true

[Pedaltones]

The problem with nostalgia nowadays is that it's not as good as it used to be anymore.

[Oops-A-Paisley]

I'd like to thank the UK. America looks decent for once.

I promise to pay the bearer on demand.

All economies are based on what is owed (ie debt), not defending the UK just saying that looking at "debt" alone tells us very little.

[isvoid]

The problem with nostalgia nowadays is that it's not as good as it used to be anymore.

I used to be apathetic.

Now I just don't give a {censored}.

[gt_jumper]

I payed $500 tax last week. Payed for 2 dole budgers....