Faith Hill Giving Fans Lectures/Advise on Proper Public Behavior.

[Smart Alec]

Grabbing at crotches/boobs/asses is not ok in any circumstance IMO

not even when you're having sex?

[audioicon]

Bull{censored}, man. That's basically the same argument as saying somebody deserved to get raped because of the way they dressed - they were 'asking for it'... "Sex symbol" or not (and that's a pretty loose definition, btw - how far can you go & still be safe? Has he posed nude, for instance?) she was right. It's tacky & disrespectful to grab somebody's privates in public. And somehow I don't believe that, if the shoe was on the other foot & that was your wife/girlfriend/daughter getting groped, you'd just blow it off.

 

You are missing the picture and some of the others are also.

When people become stars, they portray certain image, they create an illusion, a "special personality" that is designed for specific reasons.

 

Now most of todays stars are referred to as sex symbols, does that give fans the "right" to grope them? No. Should they be getting angry? No.

If my girl was portraying a sex symbol image, we would talk about it and the "kind" of attention it would bring.

 

If she was performing and some one groped her, off coarse I will not like it but I will not stand in the crowd with a microphone and preached a lecture when my girlfriend is half naked in Sports Illustrated. Thats just pure damn hypocrisy.

 

I will instead keep the crowds back to an adequate amount from the stage and increase personal security with better stage planning. But lecturing a crowd will not be something on my mind. Most rock/r&b/Hip-Hop stars/ even some musician in this forum may have slept with fans or get "sexual favors" back stage so lets not be freaking hypocrites. DMX/JZ carries cartons of condom back stage. Most stars set up this kind of image and when a fan runs on stage they complain.

 

AI

[audioicon]

I think it's hilarious that a purported professional like Faith Hill works been working in the "big league" for awhile so completely lost it that she scolded fans from stage. If there's anybody that needs to yelled it - it's the security detail. There's no way in hell that anybody should have been able to get within arms length of a performer on stage (unless security is instructed to "let one or two" get by so that there's a little staged spontinaity). Surely Faith has been around the block enought times to realize that anybody willing to jump up on stage and push past security at a concert isn't going to be slowed down in the least by a wedding ring and/or his bitching wife.

This is exactly what I mean, it's inevitable that fans will try to run on stage, grab you or grope you. I say she was lucky the concert went on. She could have gotten booed off stage. Security, security, security.

AI

[Billster]

not even when you're having sex?

Living up to your screen name there?

[audioicon]

I "really" don't see the sex symbol you speak of in Tim McGraw... Maybe it's just a matter of choice, but his appearance has never triggered enough interest in me to even give his tunes a listen. If I have heard any of his music, I've never been inspired enough by it to seek out the artists' name. I'm at a loss..... To me, Tim McGraw is a pretty boy with chest hair, but he doesn't excite me at all. I would lump him in with the Billy Ray Cyrus type...

Before I came to America, I didn't know the following existed.

1. Sex symbol
2. Most sexiest man/woman in the world.
3. Photo Shop faces are ranked as world beauty.

Do I think it's wrong, no, it's a culture and it's America. I don't expect any body to live or believe in the things I believe in.

Where I come from people are people, they are judged by their work to improve society. Besides we don't have the sophisticated software to edit blemishes and pimples. So what you see is what you get.

I did not say "I thought or saw Tim McGraw as a sex symbol" I was referring to the way he's "portrayed in magazines to female fans."

I don't listen to his music or own any of his CD but did watch the clip on youtube.

AI

[rlindsey0]

You are missing the picture and some of the others are also. When people become stars, they portray certain image, they create an illusion, a "special personality" that is designed for specific reasons. Now most of todays stars are referred to as sex symbols, does that give fans the "right" to grope them? No. Should they be getting angry? No. If my girl was portraying a sex symbol image, we would talk about it and the "kind" of attention it would bring.

 

 

No, we're not missing the picture. You are. Think about what it means to create an "illusion," as you put it. An illusion is something that goes on between your ears--IOW, IN YOUR OWN HEAD. Since when does having an illusion or fantasy about somebody you don't even know entitle you to grab their bodies?

 

You say that the groping was wrong, but that the star shouldn't get angry about it. What sense can that possibly make? Anybody--star or nonentity--who doesn't like their genitals being grabbed by a stranger is entitled to be angry about it. I can't believe that you or anyone would need that explained to you.

 

Who cares what DMX does backstage? What's that got to do with anything at all? You're arguing that the fact that one person likes to get busy with willing partners backstage somehow means that some completely different person is obliged to endure being groped onstage by some yo-yo who doesn't know how to act--and then not be allowed to tell them they don't know how to act. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

[tucktronix]

 

No, we're not missing the picture. You are. Think about what it means to create an "illusion," as you put it. An illusion is something that goes on between your ears--IOW, IN YOUR OWN HEAD. Since when does having an illusion or fantasy about somebody you don't even know entitle you to grab their bodies? You say that the groping was wrong, but that the star shouldn't get angry about it. What sense can that possibly make? Anybody--star or nonentity--who doesn't like their genitals being grabbed by a stranger is entitled to be angry about it. I can't believe that you or anyone would need that explained to you. Who cares what DMX does backstage? What's that got to do with anything at all? Your arguing that the fact that one person likes to get busy with willing partners backstage somehow means that some completely different person is obliged to endure being groped onstage by some yo-yo who doesn't know how to act--and then not be allowed to tell them they don't know how to act. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

 

Damn right:thu:

 

Star or no star, groping my wife gives me the freedom to kick your ass.

[nat whilk II]

This seems to me to be akin to the old attorney argument of contributory negligence. Well, there may a bit of truth in that, but still....

Maybe security got chewed out, too.

But if I leave my car unlocked through negligence and so some kid walks by and takes the opportunity to relieve me of the iPod I left in the car, I'm not supposed to get mad??? Sure, I can see saying, "DAMN, I shouldn't have left it unlocked, I'm such an IDIOT!!!" and smacking myself in the forehead a few times for emphasis.

But the kid, the thief, is still the primary, culpable, real offender.

What a guilt trip - to make the victim the responsible party!

nat whilk ii

It's gotta be a 100% cultural norm that, at concerts, or anywhere else, you just don't grab people's privates unasked. Sheesh....anyone doing that deserves a good hard slap, pardon my neanderthal impulses.

To "not get angry" would be, well, a very cold, inhuman response - we're talking real human beings here!

nat whilk ii

[Billster]

You are missing the picture and some of the others are also. When people become stars, they portray certain image, they create an illusion, a "special personality" that is designed for specific reasons. Now most of todays stars are referred to as sex symbols, does that give fans the "right" to grope them? No. Should they be getting angry? No. If my girl was portraying a sex symbol image, we would talk about it and the "kind" of attention it would bring. If she was performing and some one groped her, off coarse I will not like it but I will not stand in the crowd with a microphone and preached a lecture when my girlfriend is half naked in Sports Illustrated. Thats just pure damn hypocrisy. I will instead keep the crowds back to an adequate amount from the stage and increase personal security with better stage planning. But lecturing a crowd will not be something on my mind. Most rock/r&b/Hip-Hop stars/ even some musician in this forum may have slept with fans or get "sexual favors" back stage so lets not be freaking hypocrites. DMX/JZ carries cartons of condom back stage. Most stars set up this kind of image and when a fan runs on stage they complain. AI

This is the worst argument I've ever seen or heard.

Now most of todays stars are referred to as sex symbols, does that give fans the "right" to grope them? No. Should they be getting angry? No.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

That doesn't make the first bit of sense.

Professional athletes are portrayed as tougher and stronger than anyone else. Should I run onto the playing field and take a swing at one of the players to see if they measure up to the image? If I did something that idiotic, would the player have a right to be angry?

[rlindsey0]

This is exactly what I mean, it's inevitable that fans will try to run on stage, grab you or grope you.

 

 

No, it is not inevitable. It is possible. The two are not the same thing.

 

It is also possible that when you drive your car, a drunk driver may broadside your car. There are thousands of such accidents in the US every year. By your logic, that means that it would be "stupid and trashy" to yell at the person who just wrecked your car. After all, it's inevitable that some drunk will broadside you, right?

 

The fact that you may encounter stupid actions on the part of other people doesn't mean that (a) those people aren't responsible for their stupid actions or (2) that you're not entitled to tell them their actions are stupid.

[audioicon]

This is the worst argument I've ever seen or heard. Professional athletes are portrayed as tougher and stronger than anyone else. Should I run onto the playing field and take a swing at one of the players to see if they measure up to the image? If I did something that idiotic, would the player have a right to be angry?

 

 

That will be your judgment. I am not asking you or anyone to agree with my argument or views. But rock on.

 

AI

[John S. Shinal]

Understandable that she'd be angry, but she ought to have the experience to know there is NO way to lecture the audience and not look like an idiot. Let security handle getting the fans back from the stage or barricade, don't work quite that close to them, perhaps, maybe a glib remark to give a little dose of reality to the offender same as a heckler.

 

But fussing a crowd out at length is never ever going to work the way she wants it to. A bit of the Diva showing apparently.

[Rabid]

... I did not say "I thought or saw Tim McGraw as a sex symbol" I was referring to the way he's "portrayed in magazines to female fans." ...

 

 

You have to remember that this may not be his choice, but only a practice by magazines to sell copies. Magazines will post every suggestive, revealing or demeaning picture they can get. The worse the picture the more likely it is to make the cover. This is not something that most stars enjoy. Just because Tim and Faith are considered "beautiful" does not mean they enjoy making music any less than the rest of us, it just makes them a favorite target for the camera. I'm guessing they are up there because they enjoy singing for people above anything else.

[Lee Flier]

 

No people are allowed to randomly grab me anywhere. I don't give a crap what gender they are. When random fans jump onstage, I have been known to kick them or hit them with my guitar. I don't care why they're onstage. I just make sure they get the hell off it ASAP. If you don't mind being fondled, it must also be okay to have your significant other (wife, gf, bf, whatever) fondled by strangers as well. Not cool.

 

 

+1 to all the above.

 

No one has a "right" to jump onstage during a performance for any reason, and if they do, they get whatever is coming to them whether it's from the artist or security or (hopefully) both. No matter whether the artist "portrays him/herself as a sex symbol" or not.

 

Lots of people have seen the video where a fan jumped onstage and ran toward Keith Richards during a Stones show and Keith pulled his guitar off and decked the guy with it. Good for him.

 

I don't give a crap about either Faith Hill or her husband, and I don't like the over the top cheesy sex symbol crap either. But I do give a crap about a performer's right to the stage and audiences' failure to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. I also agree with Jeff that it's a huge double standard if you say you're OK with being fondled in front of your significant other but it's not OK for someone to fondle them in front of you.

[Ani]

Even though I'm a mildly to moderately jealous type of person that would probably have been pissed as he!! if some woman grabbed my man's privates; I think that I would have left it up to him to respond accordingly. Firstly, my gut reaction would have been to see if my man actually enjoyed what offended me. If he was extremely flirtatious and provoked the incident and seemingly enjoyed the results of his actions; rather than being pissed at the grabby bimbo, I'd have been upset with my man. If he was neutral and stepped away without interaction, I would make damn sure that I gave him plenty of good loving that night, and every night for that matter, to make sure I kept his interests at home.

Secondly, I prefer a man that can think and speak for himself. If he was so mad that he was red in the face, as suggested by Faith Hill in her interview with Ellen Degenerate, then perhaps he should have said something himself to the woman. It would have been far more humiliating to the woman had an insult came directly from the victim himself rather than having the wife jump inside the ring. As it stands, IMO, it makes Tim McGraw look henpecked.... The wife has to do the talking for him???? I would never want to humiliate my man in front of others by drawing attention to an action that probably 90% of the audience didn't even realize happened. She speaks about "class" and then comes off say "grabbing his BALLS?" If she had wanted to demonstrate "class" she would have used a bit more tasteful language. Her reaction was clearly a jealous outburst regardless of how casually she may have tried to present herself.

I very seriously doubt that I would have made a public display of my emotions in front of an entire audience of people. If anything, I would have discreetly had one of the stage hands contact security and have the woman escorted out for a violation of policy without making an obstacle of myself.

I'd like to hear McGraw's thoughts on the subject. Does he always let the wife take center stage and deal with HIS issues? Though I have a jealous streak myself, I'm not insanely jealous and I can't stand being with an insanely jealous man. If I were in McGraw's shoes, I would have been more offended by the wife taking the bull by the horns than the crazed fan getting a cheap thrill. I'll probably take some flack for my comment, but, I think that Faith Hill could have handled things a little differently.

[audioicon]

Even though I'm a mildly to moderately jealous type of person that would probably have been pissed as he!! if some woman grabbed my man's privates; I think that I would have left it up to him to respond accordingly. Firstly, my gut reaction would have been to see if my man actually enjoyed what offended me. If he was extremely flirtatious and provoked the incident and seemingly enjoyed the results of his actions; rather than being pissed at the grabby bimbo, I'd have been upset with my man. If he was neutral and stepped away without interaction, I would make damn sure that I gave him plenty of good loving that night, and every night for that matter, to make sure I kept his interests at home. Secondly, I prefer a man that can think and speak for himself. If he was so mad that he was red in the face, as suggested by Faith Hill in her interview with Ellen Degenerate, then perhaps he should have said something himself to the woman. It would have been far more humiliating to the woman had an insult came directly from the victim himself rather than having the wife jump inside the ring. As it stands, IMO, it makes Tim McGraw look henpecked.... The wife has to do the talking for him???? I would never want to humiliate my man in front of others by drawing attention to an action that probably 90% of the audience didn't even realize happened. She speaks about "class" and then comes off say "grabbing his BALLS?" If she had wanted to demonstrate "class" she would have used a bit more tasteful language. Her reaction was clearly a jealous outburst regardless of how casually she may have tried to present herself. I very seriously doubt that I would have made a public display of my emotions in front of an entire audience of people. If anything, I would have discreetly had one of the stage hands contact security and have the woman escorted out for a violation of policy without making an obstacle of myself. I'd like to hear McGraw's thoughts on the subject. Does he always let the wife take center stage and deal with HIS issues? Though I have a jealous streak myself, I'm not insanely jealous and I can't stand being with an insanely jealous man. If I were in McGraw's shoes, I would have been more offended by the wife taking the bull by the horns than the crazed fan getting a cheap thrill. I'll probably take some flack for my comment, but, I think that Faith Hill could have handled things a little differently.

This is exactly what my point is. I'm not saying she should be happy and have a party because someone grabbed her man. I was pointing out her decision to lecture the fan while the music was still playing. It clearly shows she has a lot of jealousy and controlled issues.

Fans jumping on stage is inevitable, will I as an artist stand there and tried to lecture them, no.

AI

[SpaceNorman]

She speaks about "class" and then comes off say "grabbing his BALLS?"

 

 

Pssssttt... Ani! We're talking about a "country" show here. What constitutes "class" in country circles is defined by criteria that is unique to that crowd.

[blue2blue]

 

Well, this happened a while ago but there is a debate going on about it and I finally concluded her attitude was stupid/trashy. A female fan grabbed her husbands (Tim McGraw's) crotch area during a concert performance and she threw a fit on stage and gave the fans a lecture as if they were at Sunday school. The video has been removed from YOU-Tube. What are your thoughts? 1. Should wives get pissed off when a female fan grabs a performing spouse? 2. Isn't McGraw a sex symbol or at least is portrayed and carried himself like a ladies man? I mean he is package in a way that attracts female fans, so why the fuss? 3. Will you get mad or find your wife/girlfriend behavior strange if you/she was performing and someone tried to touch her boob/your crotch? I say increase security around crowd but for the touching that's the result of magazine and artist their publicist portraying them like freaking angels, like they don't have one damn flaw. Usher is Married, but when you visit his website he is half naked. So will it be strange or should his wife get angry when a fan tries to jump him? I say no, what do you say? Your thoughts. Audioicon/Patrick Judson

 

 

I suggest we put the goose's shoe on the gander's other foot...

 

 

If I was on stage and someone grabbed my wife's private regions, I can guarantee you he would not like what happened next.

 

It would not be in the form of a lecture... more like a lesson he would never forget.

[audioicon]

I suggest we put the goose's shoe on the gander's other foot... If I was on stage and someone grabbed my wife's private regions, I can guarantee you he would not like what happened next. It would not be in the form of a lecture... more like a lesson he would never forget.

You crack me up!
Well I guess we will keep the tasers and guns away from you.

AI

[rlindsey0]

This is exactly what my point is. I'm not saying she should be happy and have a party because someone grabbed her man. I was pointing out her decision to lecture the fan while the music was still playing. It clearly shows she has a lot of jealousy and controlled issues.

 

 

 

Oh, nonsense again. If that was a "lecture," then a 30 second Volkswagen commercial is a feature-length film.

 

You say "while the music was still playing," as if that makes a difference. Would it have been better to have waited until the song was over? If so, why? What would that have proved? IMO it makes far more sense to address something when it happens.

 

And as for Ms. Hill's "issues," whatever they may be, unless you're a practicing tele-psychiatrist, you're probably not really qualified to diagnose them. In which case, it's probably more sensible to leave the amateur psychology alone.

[Billster]

This is exactly what my point is. I'm not saying she should be happy and have a party because someone grabbed her man. I was pointing out her decision to lecture the fan while the music was still playing. It clearly shows she has a lot of jealousy and controlled issues. Fans jumping on stage is inevitable, will I as an artist stand there and tried to lecture them, no. AI

This thread has officially jumped into lunacy.

It is not inevitable that some fan is going to run on stage. No.

Jealousy and control issues? That her husband might enjoy being sexually assaulted on stage? That somebody should have grabbed her private parts?

You might think it's unwise to "lecture" the audience, but the fact is that she was reacting to a situation. If she stood there screaming about how bad security was, people would be making fun of her for putting down the security team.

Maybe the concert promotion wants a few starstruck women to run on stage and give the star a hug or something, and maybe that's their mistake. To quote your mother "It's all fun until somebody gets poked in the eye!" :poke:

[Guvnor]

He was in the crowd, by the way.. hugging fans and shaking hands... Still was a classless thing for someone to do... Faith Hill was definitely in the right. The woman's lucky she didn't get thrown out of the show...

[Ani]

I suggest we put the goose's shoe on the gander's other foot... If I was on stage and someone grabbed my wife's private regions, I can guarantee you he would not like what happened next. It would not be in the form of a lecture... more like a lesson he would never forget.

You must like timid women... If I was on stage and a strange man grabbed my privates; I would have some sort of a "knee jerk" reaction right into his groin area. My man wouldn't be quick enough to get take my pleasure out of seeing the a-hole hit the floor. If the idiot tried to file an assault charge against me, then I would have to swear by spontaneous reflex to his initial assault.

[Ani]

BTW, if it turned out to be more than what I could handle myself, I would then welcome assistance from my man. I'd hope that he would teach the guy some manners.

[rasputin1963]

 

Oh, Ani, no you dih-int!