Members Def Magnetic Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 After reading this thread, I have to throw my 2 cents in. Obviously none of us were there to confirm or deny this guys claim of being treated direspectfully by Keith. However, I have had Keith work on my guitars many, many times and he ALWAYS has been friendly, professional, and thorough with the work he has done. Keith was working on my guitars back in the day when he and his business partner Ron bought Torres Guitars in Saratoga. They have done several set ups, fret levels, fixed a broken headstock on an Explorer, built me a guitar, sold me 2 beautiful Rickies, and have given me lots of professional advice. Keith is a stand-up guy who takes pride in his work and does it without a lot of ego. Part of the problem is that people tell the tech what they want done instead of getting their professional opinion. It's like going to the doctor and telling him that you want brain surgery without telling him what the problem is. It looks to me like that's what this guy did. Walked in and told Keith what he wanted done instead of telling Keith what he would like the guitar to play like and letting Keith, the professional, tell him what should be done to fix it, imho. gilroy represent. there's alot of representing in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 But honestly, I have no idea why I'm arguing with everyone about the cause of the problem. me either just let it go mate... it's hardly the end of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Foulacy Posted September 10, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 After reading this thread, I have to throw my 2 cents in. Obviously none of us were there to confirm or deny this guys claim of being treated direspectfully by Keith. However, I have had Keith work on my guitars many, many times and he ALWAYS has been friendly, professional, and thorough with the work he has done. Keith was working on my guitars back in the day when he and his business partner Ron bought Torres Guitars in Saratoga. They have done several set ups, fret levels, fixed a broken headstock on an Explorer, built me a guitar, sold me 2 beautiful Rickies, and have given me lots of professional advice. Keith is a stand-up guy who takes pride in his work and does it without a lot of ego. Part of the problem is that people tell the tech what they want done instead of getting their professional opinion. It's like going to the doctor and telling him that you want brain surgery without telling him what the problem is. It looks to me like that's what this guy did. Walked in and told Keith what he wanted done instead of telling Keith what he would like the guitar to play like and letting Keith, the professional, tell him what should be done to fix it, imho. I agree entirely and this was the experience I had at first. Very professional, understanding and stand-up. I did not know the problem with my guitar exactly, although I suspected a fret level, and I took the guitar to their shop. They proceeded to diagnose the problem and told me what should be done. I obliged. I was super nice, it was fun, and I chatted with the employees for an hour about guitar gear. That was the beginning, now I have gone through a lot, and spent a lot of time with this problem and Keith did nothing for me. I have no reason to lie in this situation. I don't gain or lose anything from it. Keith does have something to lose. I simply felt so SO horrible inside from the occurrences at his shop that I had to post something on the internet to protect you. YES YOU. even though you've been there 10 times. DON'T GO BACK. Keith doesn't work on the guitars, his apprentices do. And like I've said before, I'm sure if Keith had done the work himself, it would have worked out. And obviously, you have had no problem with work done on your gear, but if you did, you might be met by an unpleasant party in Keith Holland. Maybe it was a bad day? Twice. Maybe for him, I'm that person you just hate right when you see them! But paying $175 for someone who doesn't know what their doing, to file metal parts on your guitar is like playing russian roulette with your fretboard. Don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mymindsok Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 I have no reason to lie in this situation. I don't gain or lose anything from it. Youre lieing again... I know that you can't see it because you ego is so huge but what you have to lose is this argument and with it, your self esteem. Unfortunately, both are in tatters already and youre looking more and more like an immature asshole, out to besmirch someone elses reputation and damage thier business for no good reason. Try this... Get off the forum for a few days, play your guitar some, lick your wounds, watch some porn on your computer and then either fix your guitar yourself (Youre an expert, right?) or find someone whom you respect to do it for you. Oh yeah... And quit whining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueJames Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 Regardless, the dickish repairman with attitude should receive poop. People who behave like this need a wake up call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted September 10, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2008 Why didn't this Keith guy post his own replies, he says he joind the forum but there was some period that he couldn't post....nonsense, you can post immediately. He could have represented himself better if he had fronted up himself, my instincts say that both parties beheved lss that correctly, but I still find myself with more sympathy for Foulacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mymindsok Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 When I spoke to him he said that he had no intentions of posting on these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Large Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 SincerelyKeith Holland yup [edit]: I also love how this thread has devolved into people saying "youre ugly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hecticone Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 1. The notes I played in the video all sound find, with the exception of the 2 notes on the high E string. 2. How do you not know about Ibanez Prestige guitars and have 4,000 posts on a guitar forum? 3. Truss rod relief effects the area of frets between 1-2ish to 12th-ish depending on the guitar. Why would I not loosen the truss rod to get rid of buzz on lower frets? Are you stupid? 4. You measure action to the 10th of a mm. Again, are you stupid? Also, I'll link you to a page that can not be disputed, http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/action.htm I measured it at the 12th for all the "12th fret guys," and it's 2.5mm on the low E, which is anything but low. I don't act fake ever, I'm always honest. Thanks for the insults by the way, that might be your only argument since I just destroyed you. If you know that much about guitars why are you taking yours in? Doesn't make any sense to me. Me thinks your posting stuff you just found out about on the web and really don't know jack. But hey thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChitlins Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 If you know that much about guitars why are you taking yours in? Doesn't make any sense to me. Me thinks your posting stuff you just found out about on the web and really don't know jack. But hey thats just me. Lots of people who are competent at setting up a guitar and identifying a problem with fret height are reluctant to pick up a file and start hacking away at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChitlins Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 . Unfortunately, both are in tatters already and youre looking more and more like an immature asshole, out to besmirch someone elses reputation and damage thier business for no good reason. Try this... Get off the forum for a few days, play your guitar some, lick your wounds, watch some porn on your computer and then either fix your guitar yourself (Youre an expert, right?) or find someone whom you respect to do it for you. Oh yeah... And quit whining! Fwiw, you sound like the asshole here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Blues Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 : I also love how this thread has devolved into people saying "youre ugly." Agreed, though I still think he wears a foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 Fwiw, you sound like the asshole here. grammatical misuse of "whom" as well. damn, that annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members go cat go Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 This thread may become legendary. It reminds me of the Ricco Pollan threads of yesteryear. Good times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 what you have just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members go cat go Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 what you have just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 Where did I go wrong??? i believe i was addressing the OP's argument throughout this thread. you're in NYC, where do you take your guitars? i've got an Explorer i want to put a Fernandes Sustainer into and it needs to be routed and wired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members go cat go Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 i believe i was addressing the OP's argument throughout this thread. you're in NYC, where do you take your guitars? i've got an Explorer i want to put a Fernandes Sustainer into and it needs to be routed and wired. I'll PM ya! I don't want to lose the drama of this thread. It's frickin' riveting. Oh, I agree with you totally regarding the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frets99 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 what you have just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 People are always saying that to me.... do you see invisible penguins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frets99 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 do you see invisible penguins? You mean like the one looking at me right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members go cat go Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 I would bacon-ize that penguin then throw him in a pond. You want ensure no returns of said penguin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Burningleaves Posted September 10, 2008 Members Share Posted September 10, 2008 Keiths side..... I am always very clear with customers that I want their guitar to be perfect and I want it back here if not. This individual had some problems with this guitar that I was more than willing to help with without additional cost to him, but was not receptive to my input or willing to allow me to make simple adjustments that I thought would help. Instead, he demanded (his word) that the entire job be done over. Eventually, we came to the agreement that he would give it a few days to decide if we should make the small changes that I thought could help. Eventually, upon his 3rd trip back, he belligerently and demeaningly demanded that the work be done over. I relented, with the stipulation that he not return again, with any more problems with this instrument or any others. He blew his stack, insulted all of us, grabbed his instrument and left. Before he walked out, I asked him not to return. He never did ask for his money back. SincerelyKeith Holland This part of Keiths response I quoted pretty much says it all..... They could not agree on what was needed to be done in order to fix the issues the guitar had and evetually Keith told him not to come back to the store. On top of that he kept the dudes money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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