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  • Is a 100 Watt tube amp over kill?

    Love my C30 and all it can do but there I'm considering a Jet City 100h that's available here locally. My band is playing the typical club and party type gig and the other guitar player is blasting out through a 150 watt Line 6 and 4x12.

    I usually run the PV clean at about 8-9 to keep up even while using a CrunchBox and Fat Drove OD up front.

    Would 100 watts of tubage be just too damn much or is volume less an issue than the tone that comes with the extra juice?

    What's a boy to do?
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  • #2
    If you really want the amp, you can always get an attenuator in order to get the best out of it at lower volumes.
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    • #3
      Overkill? Well, you don't need that many watts, but if you want the amp, you can still get good use out of it. Generally speaking, a 150w solid state/digital amp isn't as loud as a tube amp of similar wattage.
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      • #4
        Thanks guys...just to add a little hot sauce to the conversation. It's priced less than 50% of anything available on ebay or Amazon.
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        • #5
          The Line 6 amp is solid state, solid state amps need more wattage to project. Depending on how efficient your speakers are you should be able to plaster the crowd up against the back wall with a 50 watt tube amp. 100 watts is overkill.
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          • #6
            man , my 12 watt tweed deluxe is overkill. but, if you need all that head room and/or brutle volume whatever makes you happy.
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            • #7
              100 watts and I have ot stand on other side of house, seriously.
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              • #8
                man , my 12 watt tweed deluxe is overkill. but, if you need all that head room and/or brutle volume whatever makes you happy.


                Good stuff, thanks. No practical need for that kind of power. I've just never plugged into anything with that kind of juice
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                • #9
                  You don't have to run it at full volume, you know. Also as was said before, they sell attenuators.
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                  • #10
                    Im not a big attenuator fan. Amps sound best with the circuit un attenuated. Even the built in ones lose tone per step down. Sure it comes in handy to practice, but if I'm buying 100 watts of tubes that's the sound I want. I think it would be better to buy a 50 and not attenuate it and mic it if you have to.
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                    • #11
                      High wattage power amps have been pretty standard for hi-gain amps from some time. The idea is to keep the power amp clean so the overall sound doesn't get too muddy. And we are talking a Soldano cascading gain stage design. So, ideally, you won't be pushing the amp over 100-watts and into peak wattage. If we were talking Marshall Plexi, than you may have a miserable time finding an application for a 100-watt amp, but talking Soldano, it's just volume you don't have to use.

                      And, if you needed to get to get a sweet spot, you can pull two power tubes, check the bias, and relabel your speaker outs (16 becomes 8...8 becomes 4) and run it as a ~60-watt amp.

                      If you ever play an outdoor gig, then 100-watts and a closed-back cab become very handy.

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                      • #12
                        you'd be surprised how a speaker upgrade or an additional 1x12 cab with an efficient speaker would make a massive difference with a 30 watt amp.... I've used my Egnater Tweaker with a 2x12 Cab with Eminence Governors for a gig in a fairly large venue and it worked out fine... I'd say the amp was pushed to its limit... and wasn't really super clean, but that's how I like it... in most small pubs and bars here the 2x12 is overkill...

                        From a quick check online the Blue Marvel that's in the Classic 30 is rated at 96.5db @ 1 Watt... which is not bad but you can get a decent volume increase if you put in a more efficient speaker... the Governors are rated at 102db @ 1 Watt
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                        • #13
                          you'd be surprised how a speaker upgrade or an additional 1x12 cab with an efficient speaker would make a massive difference with a 30 watt amp.... I've used my Egnater Tweaker with a 2x12 Cab with Eminence Governors for a gig in a fairly large venue and it worked out fine... I'd say the amp was pushed to its limit... and wasn't really super clean, but that's how I like it... in most small pubs and bars here the 2x12 is overkill...

                          From a quick check online the Blue Marvel that's in the Classic 30 is rated at 96.5db @ 1 Watt... which is not bad but you can get a decent volume increase if you put in a more efficient speaker... the Governors are rated at 102db @ 1 Watt


                          Thanks Marc, I typically play through my matching PV 4x10 cab when we play out. I've got the original 1x12 as well. You are correct, they really help open up the amp.
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                          • #14
                            I've never had more use for more than 30. Really a 100 watt amp is only slightly louder than a 50.
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                            • #15
                              Thanks Marc, I typically play through my matching PV 4x10 cab when we play out. I've got the original 1x12 as well. You are correct, they really help open up the amp.


                              I gotcha... then...wow...you'll must be playing pretty loud then lol! I"m not going to lie... I'm a little envious!! I'd say 1 out of every 10 gigs we play I get the chance to really open up my amps...
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