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  • Marshall 1960 or Orange PPC412 for a Bogner Ecstasy?

    Thinking about these two cabs for that amp, but what do you guys think works better? What's the difference?


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  • #2
    Both.

    The difference is that the Marshall cab has G12t-75s in it and the Orange has Vintage 30s.

    The Bogner cabs come with a mix of the two.

    I'd buy a used Marshall cab and then sell two of the G12s and buy 2 V30s.
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    • #3
      The orange cab is a MUUUUCH better cab.

      But I don't like v30s.

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      • #4
        With a darker sounding amp like the Ecstasy, would either choice be OK? I was leaning towards the Orange but I was told it was a bright sounding cab, would that balance the sound or make it worse? Sorry, I am completely confused as to what cabs work well together and what doesn't =/
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        • #5
          With a darker sounding amp like the Ecstasy, would either choice be OK? I was leaning towards the Orange but I was told it was a bright sounding cab, would that balance the sound or make it worse? Sorry, I am completely confused as to what cabs work well together and what doesn't =/
          Just curious... how in the hell do you find the Ecstasy dark sounding... . I find it to be one of the brighter amps I've owned, especially with my Suhr. Are you using any of the bright switches on the front panel? PS: I'm using a Port City 2x12 with V30s and love it... might be a good choice to look into!

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          • #6
            yeah, with the exception of the uber, every Bogner I've ever played was on the bright side...of course I've never played an xtc
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            • #7
              yeah, with the exception of the uber, every Bogner I've ever played was on the bright side...of course I've never played an xtc
              Yeah... The Ecstasy is definitely voiced for that bright Marshall-y sound IMHO. It's chewier and it has more low end, but it's still inherently bright. Not a bad thing... but you just have to get used to it.

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              • #8
                Ah ok, that's interesting. I was just reading up on it and people have been telling me it's a dark amp.

                What's the difference between the two cabs?
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                • #9
                  Remember, lots of low end =/= dark.

                  The construction on the Orange is much better. Heavy ply all throughout, it's also quite a bit deeper. They're freaking tanks (handles/corners/etc all higher quality).

                  Other than that, the speaker compliment. Also, Orange cabs are wired 16 ohm mono, the marshall will have all the extra input options (8 ohm stereo and 4 ohm mono + 16 ohm mono)
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                  • #10
                    Both.

                    The difference is that the Marshall cab has G12t-75s in it and the Orange has Vintage 30s.

                    The Bogner cabs come with a mix of the two.

                    I'd buy a used Marshall cab and then sell two of the G12s and buy 2 V30s.


                    That's not 100% accurate. The standard Bogner cab comes loaded with V30s. The Uberkab is the one that comes with 75/30's in an X pattern.

                    http://www.bogneramplification.com/customshop/4x12Info.php

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                    • #11
                      I'm not a fan of the 75s that come in 95% of Marshall cabs. If you can find an AV/BV cab (loaded with V30s), those would be a good option for a lower price than the Orange, but the Orange is a much better cab overall as previously mentioned. Some people describe Orange cabs as "dark", which I attribute to the fact that they have a huge goddamned low end because of their size and the lack of casters letting the vibrations go straight into the ground. They're also the heaviest cab I've ever had to lug around, but they're well worth it the back pain.
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                      • #12
                        That's not 100% accurate. The standard Bogner cab comes loaded with V30s. The Uberkab is the one that comes with 75/30's in an X pattern.

                        http://www.bogneramplification.com/customshop/4x12Info.php


                        Correct. Marshall's can have something other than 75's as well although its the most common. The Orange can also have G12K100s.
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                        • #13
                          Correct. Marshall's can have something other than 75's as well although its the most common. The Orange can also have G12K100s.


                          The thunderverb cab does have g12k100s.

                          Also, if you find an anniversary cab, those came loaded with g12h30s
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                          • #14
                            I'm a big fan of the Marshall 1960a, i think its a great cab. People often say its really scooped and harsh, but i never hear that, i just hear a lot of power and definition.
                            Orange cabs i always find to be very directional and a bit brittle in the top end, thats a characteristic of their build rather than the speakers used.

                            I'd personally go for a Marshall cab with a Bogner. I've found the three Ecstacy models i've tried ( 101b x2, 20th anniversary) to be pretty darkly voiced, a bit like a blanket has been thrown over the cab, i think the 75's would help bring it out a bit more.
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                            • #15
                              Remember, lots of low end =/= dark.

                              The construction on the Orange is much better. Heavy ply all throughout, it's also quite a bit deeper. They're freaking tanks (handles/corners/etc all higher quality).

                              Other than that, the speaker compliment. Also, Orange cabs are wired 16 ohm mono, the marshall will have all the extra input options (8 ohm stereo and 4 ohm mono + 16 ohm mono)


                              I still prefer the 1960 to the pp412, even though I definitely agree the Orange is built better. That said, I think it's overkill and unnecessary for the most part as they're both more than up to par for any situation. The Marshall cab is still built very well, and with the exception of the PCB used for the switching options (Norton has mentioned burning up a few of them now) they are the industry standard for a reason. The 1960 seems a bit more lively to me, and really open sounding regardless of the speakers used. Orange cabs always feel stiff and super directional. I don't have a ton of experience with the ppc412 though, so it could simply be another case of me hating V30's, which all orange cabs I have played were loaded with.


                              just can't deny the Orange is built to withstand a war.

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