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  • are any cheap mass produced 4x12 cabs super loud?

    I'm looking for more volume and am hoping to avoid spending $1,200+
    Currently have a goofy pair of cabs- Stagecraft 300 watt vertical slant 2x12 with Eminence Swamp Thangs and an old no name 300 watt slant 4x12 with blank speakers. Both are 8 ohm. I tend to prefer using solid state amps with a distortion pedal because they are tight(before they clip anyway) but I've been having trouble getting enough volume for practice using my Ampeg SS 150 head(200+ watts at 4 ohms I think) into these cabs. Also tried my Ampeg as a preamp into my friends Mosvalve 500 power amp which ended up clipping and smelling like it was ready to melt after about 90 minutes although it did give me a bit more headroom than the Ampeg. Both of these amps are 20+ years old and possibly on the fritz but I've had people suggest that I should be getting enough volume out of them with the right pair of 4x12s. Even two loaded Avatar 4x12s shipped will run me over $1,200 and that's a relatively good deal.

    I'm hoping there might be a Crate or some other cheap, easy to find used at Guitar Center 4x12 that has super efficient/loud high wattage handling speakers that don't break up easy when pushed and the right qualities to push a lot of air in the same way some expensive cabs do.

    If I'm dreaming and no such cabs exist I would appreciate recommendations for mid-range priced super loud cabs, loaded or unloaded. I hear that bigger and heavier tends to be louder but I'm hoping to keep the weight under 100 lbs if possible.

    Avatar and Stagecraft seem to be cheaper than most of the other no middleman cab companies but I don't know how loud their 4x12s actually are.

    I am planning on maybe upgrading to either a 200-300 watt tube head or 500-800 watt SS power amp but want to get new cabs first.

    I play B tuned metal with a very high gain pedal by the way. Drums + us all wearing earplugs at practice = needing mondo guitar and bass volume. As it is they can't hear me well enough unless I'm clipping which makes my tone sound like ass.

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    The Peavey Butcher/VTM cabs usually go for $100 to $150 and are often loaded with G12K85s.

    Changing to a tube amp (as you mentioned) might help your situation. They often cut through the mix better and can be perceived as louder than solid state, at least IMO.
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    • #3
      The Peavey Butcher/VTM cabs usually go for $100 to $150 and are often loaded with G12K85s.

      Changing to a tube amp (as you mentioned) might help your situation. They often cut through the mix better and can be perceived as louder than solid state, at least IMO.


      Guessing those Peavey cabs are 16 ohms. Wouldn't be a problem with a high power SS rack amp but with my Ampeg that would be an 8 ohm load vs the 4 I current have with my cabs. Just read that the those speakers are rated at 99 to 100 dB. Would prefer 102 or 103.

      I do have a tube amp- Laney GH50 which breaks up way too fast. I imagine the 100 watt version would be somewhat better but I doubt it would have the amount of headroom I like. For tube I'd want to go ever bigger but the idea of hauling around an 80+lb head to gigs doesn't appeal to me very much. Plus there is the cost involved in buying one. For $300 I could theoretically get all the super light class D solid state power one would ever want.

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      • #4
        IF you want more volume then look for speakers with a higher sensitivity rating. The GH100L is plenty loud.
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        • #5
          You are running high wattage amp but imo solid state never cuts as well in a mix as tube. Sounds like your problem might be more in your amps than in your cabs.
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          • #6
            EQ settings?

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            • #7
              The only thing I can think of is the Peavey 412M series cabs. The speakers are Sheffield 1200's which aren't terrible, are 75 watts each and the cabs are decent build quality. I sold to of them for 125$ a piece a few years ago. I'm not sure about their sensitivity, but a 300 watt mono cab should give you decent enough headroom.
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              • #8
                You are running high wattage amp but imo solid state never cuts as well in a mix as tube. Sounds like your problem might be more in your amps than in your cabs.


                +1 the difference between 120 crate ss watts and 120 tube watts is immense. Also if the no name cab has low efficiency speakers you might actually be making your whole setup quieter by running it as the swamp thang cab is only recieving half the power and Swamp Thangs are loud speakers.

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                • #9
                  The old Peavey cabs that came stock with G12K85's FTW. My broe bought one awhile back for $150. Sold the cab empty for $50 & kept the speakers for an empty 1960B he had laying around. $100 for 4 G12K85's is a steal.

                  Those 90's Ampeg full size 4x12's (looked kinda like a Marshall 1960) are cheap & loud. Crate had a version of the same cab, just had diffrent tolex & grille that can be had for nothing. Ugly as sin, but will work.

                  Dont forget the 80's Carvin 4x12's (the ones that look like the metal grilled Mesas from that era) . Those cabs slay, and can be had super cheap. Sound good & look good too.
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                  • #10
                    buy a single used Marshall 1960a. it will put out more sound and awesome than either of the cabs you are currently using. 1960's are cheap as **************** on craigslist. Like $300, little man.

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                    • #11
                      If we're talkin single 4x12's, I'd rather have a 1960B. A bottom cab sounds bigge, to my ears. (More air space, no split baffle like a 60A. Remove casters & sit directly on the ground. win. )
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                      • #12
                        having trouble being loud enough for "practice" with a 120 watt amp? :lol:

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                        • #13
                          If we're talkin single 4x12's, I'd rather have a 1960B. A bottom cab sounds bigge, to my ears. (More air space, no split baffle like a 60A. Remove casters & sit directly on the ground. win. )


                          Yep.

                          Also, if you are having trouble hearing eachother with 100 watt amps, maybe you are playing in too small of a room?
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                          • #14
                            Yep.

                            Also, if you are having trouble hearing eachother with 100 watt amps, maybe you are playing in too small of a room?


                            OR perhaps some setting changes on the amps. Simple adjustments of the Presence, bass, mids, and treble can remedy things.

                            I always LOL at the guys who complain they cant hear their amp, so they turn up the volume..meanwhile, the mids are scooped all the way out.

                            (not always the case, but it happens)
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                            • #15
                              dude you are running 6 speakers... and swamp thangs are pretty efficient... there HAS to be something else messing up your tone... maybe eq settings or something.
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