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  • #61
    In a somewhat related note to this thread :

    last night's gig was w/ a karaoke guy,
    I would do a set and he would do a set (8-12)
    interesting... it seemed to work though
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    • #62
      I've been hosting karaoke shows on weeknights for 10 years, and have been doing this every Tues, Wed, and Thurs for three years now.

      My club would never promote karaoke as live music. It's the weeknight karaoke show. When bands play on weekends the club makes big "Live Music" posters up with the name and pic of the band on it. I'm the karaoke show on weeknights at the bottom of the poster.

      The idea that all karaoke singers are bad is just crazy. I have several regulars who could easily front a band (if there was any money in it anymore), and a couple who really ought to do something with this. These better singers will pack the dance floor just like a band would.

      Many people go to karaoke bars for reasons unrelated to karaoke. They know that there's going to be people in them on a weeknight and they don't want to be drinking in a dead bar. The singers are the room's seeds.

      I don't think that there's anything else that can fill a neighborhood bar on weeknights like karaoke does. This 135 seat room is often at capacity on even Tuesday nights.

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      • #63
        Hey there mrcpro, good to see you sir!

        In the "notes from all over" dept:

        The club where I play most weekends is deplorably DEAD during the week, except for karaoke on Wed. The owner started booking the most established and popular party band in the area on Thurs., in an effort to drum up business- but to no avail- he still loses $$ after paying the band. This same group takes over one Saturday night a month, and packs the place out- crowds of 400+- same as they pack out any other venue, so the weak Thurs. crowd is not a reflection on them. Maybe it's just a perception among club-goers that "weeknights are made for karaoke".

        Back when my band played Thurs-Sun every week at the same club, Sundays were "bandaoke". We enjoyed it because it was challenging to wing it on requests and to cover for amateur singers (although several were quite good). Taking part in that convinced me that singers, given a choice, would rather sing with a live band vs a karaoke machine. I believe there IS a market- just few bands that can handle it, what with the demise of the fulltime music scene.
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        • #64
          I don't know if anyone posted this already, but... http://www.rock-bot.com/home.cfm
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          • #65
            He's an HC member Unalaska. Hangs out in Sound forum, cool dude and a very knowledgeable sound man. Looks like a great bassist from his videos....
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            • #66
              I don't know if anyone posted this already, but... http://www.rock-bot.com/home.cfm


              Great site and concept! And a very impressive songlist, too!

              1) No keyboard player? (at least not described in band line-up of bass-drums-guitar-vox). I suppose they track keys, when necessary.

              2) They MUST go by chord charts, iPads, etc., I wonder if their tele-prompter device includes chord symbols? (great solution, IMO).

              3) Site describes them as being the NW premiere band karaoke group- so may be more of that kind of scene there.

              Would be nice for someone to invite Unalaska to chime in here (hint hint).
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              • #67
                Everything is tracked is my understanding and that's how my band is handling it as well. My teleprompter is a wedge with a video monitor in it and it's just the lyrics....my cues have the key and title and artist just ahead of the two bars of click before the track hits. The players know their parts and is a very tough gig to learn. Live karaoke has been around for a long time. I played in one in Ontario starting in 1994 and we had a full calendar. Of course...lyrics were on paper in those days!
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                • #68
                  Heyall, it's pete from rock-bot. I was cue'd into the discussion here by a fellow member (thats what I get for putting the web page in the sig). I've been around the live/karaoke/DJ discussions as much or more than most, I've been doing this format for going on 9 years now. Karaoke isn't a band but it is entertainment and anyone who plays in a band is competing for entertainment dollars. Used to be Blockbuster was a competitor, now it's netflix, movies, soccer games etc etc. Your band is entertainment right? That's the frame of reference to use, not whether it's live band or not.

                  Anyway, it's way fun. If anyone is in the Pac NW come out and sing with us. The 3pc band does the grunt of the playing, keys/perc etc are sequenced out of necessity since lyrics are on screen. We've been averaging 2-3 nights a week for 2 years now so the band is tight. 600+ songs. On my way to the gig now...
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                  • #69
                    Nice. 600 songs is incredible...and music stands are nowhere to be seen in the photos on your site. We're the same type of line up....drums, gtr, bass and vocalist that is the host and backup vocals (as is the rest of the band) as well as a "vocal coach" to keep a singer moving if needed. Have a good gig Pete.
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                    • #70
                      We don't use music stands for the players. But I do have about 1/2 the songs charted out and some guys use ipad to look up a song or two. TV's are for the singers, I encourage players to make their own notes, it helps the learning curve.

                      Tonite was great, we had a packed house and a very full list.
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                      • #71
                        I had a gig at a restaurant bar last Friday night. I'm playing solo with backing tracks and its going OK. Then some ladies walk in and order drinks. The waitress asks to sing, and soon I have two women at the microphone singing along with me and the backing tracks. It's karaoke at that point. The ladies seemed to be having a great time. Everybody in the bar suddenly seemed to be having a great time so I kept doing it. They asked for a song that I have but it's the real recording, not a backing track. I play the song (while playing guitar), lots of ladies go to the dance floor and start dancing so I'm now a DJ. I keep playing recordings and the ladies keep dancing. The party kept building. I was on the dance floor dancing gangham style with them. At the end of the night the ladies tell me they had a great time. The chef tells me that no other musician has gotten people dancing like that and that I did well.

                        So now I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate all this karaoke and DJ activity into my act, or to have it available as an option. I don't have video displays to show lyrics so the karaoke part is incomplete.
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                        • #72
                          Maybe you could invest in a good music stand and an iPad. And a really, really good iPad case.

                          Make sure you have two mic stands set up, so you can help when they get lost. Karaoke patrons also like duets.
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                          • #73
                            karaoke you need karaoke tracks, plus a computer to play it on and then an external monitor. I charge more for karaoke gigs and the reason why is: They always think you have the words for every single track know to man (even the top 40) and also thing they can sing along to it and sound great. We all know when L-users sing to top 40 songs through a PA it is the worst possible trainwreck to man and I'm sorry I just don't allow it.

                            In your case prob be better to make a book with the words on paper in a book with the plastic cover sheets. A. you don't have to drag around another monitor for karaoke words B. you don't have to drag along a laptop to run real karaoke tracks. Assuming you have a track player in your gear (since you play other tracks too)

                            I am torn on this as for the past 20 years I was a drummer playing for many bands ranging from polka bands to classic rock...to whatever and made minimal money, enough to pay gas get a meal and $20 leftover for some new sticks. Now I charge a minimum of $300.00 and more for karaoke due to the increased maintenence and dealing with drunks who insist on singing every tune that comes out of the PA and then bitch at me when there are no words.

                            From a DJ perspective it's pretty easy to say a request sucks or you don't have it, but on the karaoke side once they sing ONE song they think then they can sit there and sing another 20, which of course doesn't fly and I have to send them packing and they always get pissed especially if they are in a drunken stupor.

                            On another note some of the greatest times I've had were at karaoke, but one thing is consistent. About 95 % of the systems are crap gear and a crap system with crap speakers and crap mics and more often than not you can't hear yourself worth a crap through the mains anyway. So even if you do have the voice it's a bear to match the keys on stage. My solution for this (provided they have wireless) is move out front and sing.

                            Oh and another thing seen this many times the KJ (dj) get's up and sings and everything SOUNDS GREAT, then when a joe blow goes up they turn the mic and the tracks down so everyone else sucks. That's a big pet peeve of mine. In the end this is why I built my business to correct for all the crap systems out there and the crap KJ's, hoping to make it a better world.

                            Does it sadden me this has replaced a majority of live music? In a way yes, however it's still along the line to fill my need for music. I don't miss driving to rehersals and dealing with 130 db geetar amps in ears making them bleed. I don't miss replacing drum heads and tuning my drums all the time and replacing cracked cymbals and dealing with musicians who don't practice before rehershal.

                            Is it a live performance? You bet. Have to sing to the key of the track whether it's computer generated or generated from a guitar.

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                            • #74

                              Anyway, it's way fun. If anyone is in the Pac NW come out and sing with us. The 3pc band does the grunt of the playing, keys/perc etc are sequenced out of necessity since lyrics are on screen. We've been averaging 2-3 nights a week for 2 years now so the band is tight. 600+ songs. On my way to the gig now...


                              Glad you've found a niche that you are happy with, breauz!

                              Honest question: comparatively speaking, would you say you make as much or more per man than an above average cover band from your area?
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                              • #75
                                So now I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate all this karaoke and DJ activity into my act, or to have it available as an option. I don't have video displays to show lyrics so the karaoke part is incomplete.

                                My karaoke show started out sort of like that. I was playing in a piano bar on Thursday nights and would often let a few of the regulars "take the mic" while I accompanied them on piano. A couple of attractive ladies would join in when they would show up, but told me that they preferred to sing to karaoke tracks. So I got a hardware player (which I'd plug into the TV at the bar) and a few discs. For the first year the show was an informal combination of both.

                                There are no rules. You can structure the night anyway you want. But be prepared for karaoke to take over.

                                It's a tough pill to swallow when the night takes off and you realize that they are not coming in to hear you.

                                They are coming in to hear themselves.

                                Good to hear from you PFC

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