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    It's finally happened to us -- I guess we are probably lucky for a relatively new band in our area (just under 2 years gigging).



    We were finally booked in one of the better rooms in the area -- house sound and lights, decent sized space. We had a decent turnout for the winter for us, I'd say we brought between 30-35 people who would not have been there without us.



    After our first set, with the bar not full but busy all the same (according to the sound guy), the bartender calls our lead singer over and tells him that they cannot paid our agreed upon price. They tell us that they will pay $100 less and take care of our tab, and we aren't big drinkers. Our lead singer shows her all of our communication with the owner saying what our guarantee was, and she just shrugs and says thats what the owner said to do as he left.



    We go play our second set -- not as tight as we should be in spots because we kept thinking about the money. After the set, we have a quick band meeting and decided that it would do us no good to argue with the bartender -- we'd take what they would give us, and then take it up with the owner this morning. We grabbed another round of drinks figuring that we would try to even it out a little bit.



    Once we are all packed up, our lead singer goes to settle our fee. The bartender hands us $160 less than what we agreed to, saying that the owner told her to take the tab out of our guarantee. At this point, our lead singer was incensed but just took the money.



    Really ****************ty feeling this morning. We were excited to play there, and we sounded great. We have another date (the sound guy's birthday) in January. If the owner doesn't make things right, we won't play.





    How common is this? All of the owners/managers we have dealt with have been straight shooters and generally nice guys. I just can't believe that the owner would put his bartender in that position.

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    I would have packed up and left as soon as they said they were cutting pay. Word will get around and that bar will go out of business.

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    • #3
      I'm subscribing to this thread,

      I wanna see how it turns out.



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      • #4
        Never happened to us. There've been times when the manager handed over less that was agreed upon, but either it was a mix-up or they tried to stiff us and pretended it was a mix-up. Either way, they coughed up the extra cash.
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        • #5






          Quote Originally Posted by roamingbard13
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          It's finally happened to us -- I guess we are probably lucky for a relatively new band in our area (just under 2 years gigging).



          We were finally booked in one of the better rooms in the area -- house sound and lights, decent sized space. We had a decent turnout for the winter for us, I'd say we brought between 30-35 people who would not have been there without us.



          After our first set, with the bar not full but busy all the same (according to the sound guy), the bartender calls our lead singer over and tells him that they cannot paid our agreed upon price. They tell us that they will pay $100 less and take care of our tab, and we aren't big drinkers. Our lead singer shows her all of our communication with the owner saying what our guarantee was, and she just shrugs and says thats what the owner said to do as he left.



          We go play our second set -- not as tight as we should be in spots because we kept thinking about the money. After the set, we have a quick band meeting and decided that it would do us no good to argue with the bartender -- we'd take what they would give us, and then take it up with the owner this morning. We grabbed another round of drinks figuring that we would try to even it out a little bit.



          Once we are all packed up, our lead singer goes to settle our fee. The bartender hands us $160 less than what we agreed to, saying that the owner told her to take the tab out of our guarantee. At this point, our lead singer was incensed but just took the money.



          Really ****************ty feeling this morning. We were excited to play there, and we sounded great. We have another date (the sound guy's birthday) in January. If the owner doesn't make things right, we won't play.





          How common is this? All of the owners/managers we have dealt with have been straight shooters and generally nice guys. I just can't believe that the owner would put his bartender in that position.






          So it was communicated to you that you were going to get shafted to one degree, you played another set, then got shafted even more than you had been told...and you're going to play this place AGAIN in January?
          <div class="signaturecontainer">For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!<br />
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          • #6
            So, this morning the lead singer sent this e-mail:



            Hi Tim,



            I wanted to thank you again for having us play last night. We enjoyed it

            and are looking forward to playing again in January!



            There was some confusion when we left last night with pay. I'm assuming it

            was just a miscommunication, but we got $XXX.00 and our 60.00 tab paid for.

            When we confirmed this date, we had an agreement that we were getting

            $XXX.00 with no cover (it's in our email thread). I can swing by today to

            pick up the difference. What time would be good for you?





            Response:



            Sorry about that. Come by when you can.





            So he did. He picked up the difference, and the owner said he'd rather us come in on a Friday night when there is more of a built in crowd. Weird.

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            • #7
              Good on you for playing your cards right!



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              • #8
                Sounds like the bartender is playing some power games and thinks he is the boss. I've dealt with that kind of stuff before. Glad that you tried to work things out with the owner first before doing anything rash.
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                • #9
                  Had something very similar to that happen a while back, as the bartender was telling me this (and this happened at the end of the night) I replied "Huh, that's not the agreement I had with "owner", let me give him a call and see what's up." I pull out my phone and start to "call" when the bartender starts to backtrack and make up some lame excuses..... We got our agreed upon fee.

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                  • #10
                    it's probably SOP there, and most bands probably suck it up and don't follow thru to get their agreed rate.
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                    • #11
                      Yeah, welcome to being in a bar cover band. There's a hundred ways you can play that game, but you guys did good by keeping your cool and going straight to the owner. Throwing a hissy fit and taking off will hurt your band as much as it hurts the bar. I'd say you did the pro thing, and it paid off. Good on you guys!
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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by urca
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                        Had something very similar to that happen a while back, as the bartender was telling me this (and this happened at the end of the night) I replied "Huh, that's not the agreement I had with "owner", let me give him a call and see what's up." I pull out my phone and start to "call" when the bartender starts to backtrack and make up some lame excuses..... We got our agreed upon fee.




                        And how would you like the boss to be getting a call at 1 AM about a problem at the bar?

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                        • #13
                          Early summer we played a small club, being we are a "newer" band at the time we would give a cheaper first time in the door rate to get us out there and promote ourselves. We played and got a good response, they even comped our meals, band members and spouses, along with the bar tab(even tho small) and was rebooked for a ocotber date. Upon arriving for the second gig, I was asked by the manager about the rate, knowinghe remember something about that the first time. I told him the rate...$5o higher only and they were good with that, and we set and proceeded to play. After the first set, I go up to the bar and get a beer, and was told the beer isnt comped anymore. The other members didnt get the message and a little upset about that. The meal we piad for also...but I did expect that. They were wanting us for new years, not sure thats gonna happen after I adjusted our price for new years and our drinks and meals...........I take things as a stepping block and keep moving, adjust as I go.
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                          • #14






                            Quote Originally Posted by urca
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                            Had something very similar to that happen a while back, as the bartender was telling me this (and this happened at the end of the night) I replied "Huh, that's not the agreement I had with "owner", let me give him a call and see what's up." I pull out my phone and start to "call" when the bartender starts to backtrack and make up some lame excuses..... We got our agreed upon fee.




                            For some strange reason I find myself thinking that the bartender wanted to up his pay that night and thought that by ripping off that stupid band he would enhance his take-home pay without actually stealing from the till.......

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                            • #15






                              Quote Originally Posted by nobodyknows
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                              For some strange reason I find myself thinking that the bartender wanted to up his pay that night and thought that by ripping off that stupid band he would enhance his take-home pay without actually stealing from the till.......




                              ^^^^^ Exactly what I was thinking.
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