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Mr. Knobs: Eugene Goostman has a guinea pig, so I guess you're wrong about AI

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  • Mr. Knobs: Eugene Goostman has a guinea pig, so I guess you're wrong about AI

    http://www.zdnet.com/computer-chatbo...st-7000030312/

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    Turing was a very, very smart man, but fooling 30% of any random collection of humans is pretty damn easy. I mean, 30% of people are as dumb as rocks anyhow.
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    • #3
      And...............they made the AI a foreign child who would be forgiven for grammatical errors. Which made it even easier to fool.

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      • #4
        People -- make that most people -- don't want to hurt the feelings of foreign child whose English isn't so great. Seems like kind of a cheat.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by blue2blue View Post
          Turing was a very, very smart man, but fooling 30% of any random collection of humans is pretty damn easy. I mean, 30% of people are as dumb as rocks anyhow.
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            from the Firesign Theatre's 1971 album, I Think we're All Bozos on This Bus.

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            (Amazingly, it's only now, 43 years later, that I get the bus pun.Maybe if they'd used the old fashioned buss spelling. Of course, there is also a vehicular bus and that is, indeed, what the title bit of dialog refers to.)
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            • #7
              We once dreamed of the day when a computer AI would be indistinguishable from a human. We've reached that day, but, unfortunately we've accomplished it by making people dumber, not computers smarter. See any random Facebook wall or Plurk timeline for confirmation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by blue2blue View Post
                People -- make that most people -- don't want to hurt the feelings of foreign child whose English isn't so great. Seems like kind of a cheat.
                the excercise is to form an opinion about the interaction -- no feelings would be hurt either way.

                however, making the kid foreign excuses linguistic wrinkles that you wouldn't expect from a native speaker.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrKnobs View Post
                  We once dreamed of the day when a computer AI would be indistinguishable from a human. We've reached that day, but, unfortunately we've accomplished it by making people dumber, not computers smarter. See any random Facebook wall or Plurk timeline for confirmation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Goober(s) View Post

                    the excercise is to form an opinion about the interaction -- no feelings would be hurt either way.

                    however, making the kid foreign excuses linguistic wrinkles that you wouldn't expect from a native speaker.
                    Of course, got that, I just think people would also be less probing if they thought they were dealing with a real child.


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                    • #11
                      The AI That Wasn't: Why 'Eugene Goostman' Didn't Pass The Turing Test Best, Geoff
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                      • #12
                        I'm pretty sure I've spoken to it online numerous times. Seriously though, it will always come back to interpretation. In our day more people are going to be convinced because people are more easily convinced than they used to be. That is to say, pretty much what Terry said.

                        "Turing test." Hmmm... seems like its being used too much like "Nyquist Theorem" already. We're doomed for sure.
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                        • #13
                          Maybe a better takeaway from the results is that 1/3 of the participants don't expect much intelligent conversation from a 13-year old Ukranian.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Beck View Post
                            I'm pretty sure I've spoken to it online numerous times. Seriously though, it will always come back to interpretation. In our day more people are going to be convinced because people are more easily convinced than they used to be. That is to say, pretty much what Terry said.

                            "Turing test." Hmmm... seems like its being used too much like "Nyquist Theorem" already. We're doomed for sure.
                            I'm so tempted to ask, And how would that be?



                            But... I think we've all been down that road... or those two roads, as the case may be.


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                            • #15
                              I recently predicted that we'd see a program 'pass' a Turing test when even the program's authors would admit that it's not truly intelligent in the way a human (or perhaps even an ape or dog) is intelligent.

                              I don't think this program quite passed the test. Rather, it passed a benchmark predicted by Turing (the 30% part), as pointed out in the article posted above by Geoff Grace. A decade too late for Turing's prediction to be correct, though.

                              Regardless, it's a remarkable achievement. What it means is we've finally reached the point where we'll have to start refining the Turing test into something much more meaningful. The gold standard would be not just passing a single conversation test for a minority of interviewers, but working consistently over a long period of time with a number of people, with few of them suspecting it's anything other than a person. This includes learning work tasks and performing them, and developing interpersonal relationships. That will be a better measure of intelligence.

                              BTW, I envision two types test, one for "intelligence" and one for "human-like intelligence". The former doesn't require fooling anyone; instead, it requires people being able to use natural language to teach it tasks which it then performs suitably. That's intelligence, but not necessarily much like human intelligence. Of course, the "level of intelligence" is related to the kinds of tasks it can perform. I suspect when we get to that stage, we'll learn a lot about what kinds of intelligence are required for different types of tasks. It will be more like benchmarking, where it's hard to give a single cumulative score that's meaningful, but which still can be a big help in characterizing the capabilities of the system under test.
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