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  • How Much Does It Cost to Make A Hit Song?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Buckley
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    That's why they need compliant artists with nice boobies.
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    • #3
      Well, given the performance of Man Down, it seems money can't buy a hit song any more than it can buy a winning candidate.



      When is the world going to realize that people aren't as easily manipulated as they think?
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      • #4
        On the other hand, if you write a great song yourself and record it yourself, perhaps with the help of some friends who can really play and sing, and you make a cute video of it and put it on YouTube, you may not have a hit song for under $1,000 but you might become a hit artist that someone then spends a million dollars on your next song.



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          Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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          Well, given the performance of Man Down, it seems money can't buy a hit song any more than it can buy a winning candidate.



          When is the world going to realize that people aren't as easily manipulated as they think?




          The problem with having a winning formula is you STILL need that "X-factor" which you can't buy or create. Sure, Rihanna was created by formula, but that same formula has been applied to 1,000s of other artists who never achieved her degree of success. Clearly she has SOMETHING special going on that you can't just drop into the mix or paste onto her skirt. And the same formula applied to "Man Down" that failed was applied to many other songs she recorded that DID go on to be big hits.



          The formula works, or it wouldn't be called such. It just isn't guaranteed. And someday that formula will tire out and somebody else will stumble upon a new one.



          I don't think any of this is really anything new though. Berry Gordy and Motown epitomized the idea of a workable formula and even managed to create some classic records and artists in the process. I don't know that it's necessarily a bad thing for the music business to operate in such a way. But it sure does seem like it sucks when you're on the outside looking in....
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          • #6
            What if she always just wore a yellow tube top?

            That might get it there.
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              Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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              I don't think any of this is really anything new though. Berry Gordy and Motown epitomized the idea of a workable formula and even managed to create some classic records and artists in the process. I don't know that it's necessarily a bad thing for the music business to operate in such a way.




              The Brill building writers worked in the same way. But, neither they or the Motown production line sucked all the financial oxygen out of the room, where record companies ended up going for an all-or-nothing, "blockbuster" mentality.



              If a record company had a million bucks to spend on promotion, it was more likely they'd spend $50,000 on 20 artists and see which ones "stuck" rather than betting everything on one horse. That ended up giving the scene more variety and vitality; the comparative lack thereof is my objection to the current system.








              But it sure does seem like it sucks when you're on the outside looking in....



              It's not that wonderful on the inside, because most, if not all, of those expenses are coming out of her royalties before she gets a penny...or ends up in debt to the record company.



              If you had a $10,000 advance and $20,000 in studio time, you didn't have to sell that many records to get into the black. Try getting into the black when you owe the record company $800,000...and try collecting it when they decide not to pay you, or stall. I'm still owed a considerable amount of royalties, but it's spread over several companies, many of which by now have been sold, re-sold, or gone out of business. To track all of those varied income sources down, find the right people to sue, and pay for lawyers - only to find out that I'm number 5,670 in the list of creditors - is simply not worth the aggravation.



              I wish her well, but this whole thing smells of a headline 20 years from now on some web site's Entertainment page about "famous singer from the 2010s now living in a trailer in Arizona."
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                Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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                Well, given the performance of Man Down, it seems money can't buy a hit song any more than it can buy a winning candidate.



                When is the world going to realize that people aren't as easily manipulated as they think?




                I think the point of the piece (it's been a while but I posted about it in a few places when it came out) is that those are more or less typical costs for a major release. Once they get it out into the marketplace, paving the way with all the videos, planted/paid for reviews and articles, fake viral marketing, and promotional 'considerations' to DJs and program directors -- once the pumps are 'primed' for the standard hit making machinery -- then the song still has to win over its targeted sector. (And, as the article notes, after all that dough, after all the songwriting camps, all the promo and 'considerations,' and all the rest, the release STILL didn't go anywhere.)



                Those expenditures don't guarantee success.



                They're just the standard starting place for a mainstream, major commercial release.
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                  Quote Originally Posted by blue2blue
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                  fake viral marketing




                  Ah yes...all that matters is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made!
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                  • #10
                    The process sounds like the process used to pass a law, esp. the part about developing "relationships" with radio.



                    The studio costs for writing camp seems unnecessary. Doesn't every pro writer have a home studio by now?
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                      Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth
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                      The studio costs for writing camp seems unnecessary. Doesn't every pro writer have a home studio by now?




                      Agreed. Also, to be honest, although it pains me to say this as a writer myself, whether a song becomes a hit or not seems to most often have little in common with the pedigree of the writers or the "quality" of the song (however you might choose to measure that). I suspect they'd do just as well with a bunch of untried (but somewhat talented) amateurs writing the songs.
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                      • #12
                        its costs ur soul brother
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                        • #13
                          So is the article about how much it costs to make a hit song, or about how much it costs to make a song a hit?
                          Originally Posted by telephant


                          Tone is really half the argument. We both know ultimately it means nothing. Write a song. Write. A ****************ing. Song.



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                          • #14






                            Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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                            Well, given the performance of Man Down, it seems money can't buy a hit song any more than it can buy a winning candidate.



                            When is the world going to realize that people aren't as easily manipulated as they think?




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                              Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus
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                              So is the article about how much it costs to make a hit song, or about how much it costs to make a song a hit?




                              Good point. The sad part to me is the effort that goes into trying to artificially create something that people will like. The industry seems to have forgotten that a simple song sung from the heart of a songwriter is still going to move hearts, and last time I looked, it didn`t cost much.



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