Members onelife Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 This may sound idealistic but what if the currency was Love - and wealth was not measured by how much you have but how much you give. When you think about that - at the end of your life that is really what matters. When George Harrison died in 2001, the top news headlines about terrorism and collateral damage were replaced for that one day with Hari singing "Give Me Love Give Me Peace On Earth" During the Live8 connects, I noticed the huge crowds of people that had turned up all over the world to support the cause - helping people in a destitute part of the world by sharing a bit of our wealth. When Bob Geldof was leading his march to the G8 summit in Edinburgh it was the top item in the news - then there were the London subway bombings and Live8 was no longer on the radar. Were the subway bombings designed to derail the momentum of Live8 or was it just a co-incidence? Was George Harrison trying to send us a message from the other side? Are we just a bunch of greedy assholes trying to rape and pillage the earth - at the expense of true human values - for something as temporary as a big bank account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hard Truth Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 Miscellaneous thoughts: People must like war because they keep finding new reasons to have one. I call it the "traditional population control method," because people often choose it over the many other new options. As long as people think that fighting wars is better than the possibility of losing, the wars will continue. How often is losing a political conflict really worse than being in a war? We will keep bombing them until they stop hating us. We all choose whether to participate in wars. The old cliche was "What if they held a war, and nobody came?" I don't support the troops. I feel sorry for them and I don't wish them any harm, but I think they are stupid for joining the military. Sorry, its true. Without willing young men could we even have wars? War is most loved by older men who start them and the young men who fight them. Would the old men start so many wars if they had to fight them themselves? War is healthy for corporations and other growing concerns. (no matter who wins) I am convinced that young men have a strong desire to be in dangerous situations. That is helpful when you need to send them out into the woods to hunt a bear so the tribe can eat. Now it leads to war, bad driving and gang fights. We deserve the politicians and the wars that we accept. My main concern at this point is for the animals and plants who were never given a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dessalines Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 In no particular order and yuo can look them up Thirty Years War,Seven Years War,The War for Jenkins ear,The Great Northern War,The War of the Austrian SuccessionThe War of the Spanish SuccessionThe War of DevolutionThe Hundred Years War,The War of the RosesRoman Civil WarsThe Roman Jewish WarsThe Peloponesian War (This one is a classic and has meaning for NOW)The CrusadesThe Mongol InvasionsMany Byzantine wars (Too many to have names)The Muslim ExpansionThe Boer WarThe Napoleonic WarsThe American RevolutionThe Wars against the French RepublicThe Greco Persian WarThe Franco Prussian War I am only getting started and yet I have not mentioned a single conflict that began in the 20th century or the 21st century. It not new. Its not necessarily greed. Its us. Stop war? Change human nature. Seventy percent of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq for reasons of their own. You can say they were manipulated you can say whatever you want but they were okay with it when it began. That makes war possible. We can believe that are good reasons to do it and so we do. I'd have continued the list but I have a conference call to get on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 Its us. Stop war? Change human nature. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flatfinger Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 The beginning of the movie 2001 a Space oddity summed it up nicely; Humans compete for diminishing resources, regardless of what those resources might be. The suggestion here is that man has always been dependent on his weapons, whether they be bones or spaceships. It was Kubrick, after all, who envisioned us reaching a higher state of consciousness at the dawn of the new millennium. Yet the best we've been able to come up with is the ability to download porn and buy stuff over the Internet -- a cyberspace odyssey. http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/movies/2001_space_oddity_991216.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 Its us. Stop war? Change human nature. It has something to do with (drumroll, please) YOUR BALLS, GUYS. Testosterone is the drug that, with adrenaline, encourages a man to either fight, flee or f**k. These are what men like to do, the world over. (It's the drug of sexual desire in Women, too, but that's another story.) In college, we used to inject male mice with mousey testosterone... put 'em in a Skinner box (limited space, limited resources) then watch 'em stand up like kangaroos and "spar" with each other. The more testosterone they received--- you guessed it--- the more fighting they did. Sort of mousey Rock 'Em-Sock 'Em Robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lukenskywalker Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 It has something to do with (drumroll, please) YOUR BALLS, GUYS. In college, we used to inject male mice with mousey testosterone... put 'em in a Skinner box (limited space, limited resources) then watch 'em stand up like kangaroos and "spar" with each other. A mouse dick 'sword fight?; sounds like a new Realty Show...just to hazard a guess...did Mighty Mouse win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff Leites Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 War happens when diplomacy fails. Nice bumper sticker. How did Chamberlains's diplomacy with Hitler fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lukenskywalker Posted September 9, 2009 Members Share Posted September 9, 2009 My crazy friend from Palestine. I took her to the covered bridge festival in Parke County Indiana years ago. We had more fun than any two people should be allowed. Seems like yesterday. This was before Desert Storm and all that. Yeah, you remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Sayers Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 It has something to do with (drumroll, please) YOUR BALLS, GUYS. actually - I heard the other day that they've found that a group of males with high testosterone are more passive than lone males with high testosterone. Apparently it acts as a pacifier when there are many males involved in a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 yes absolutely the salvation army is really a pain in the... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 I took her to the covered bridge festival in Parke County Indiana years ago. We had more fun than any two people should be allowed. so... um.... you care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 He copped a feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators MrKnobs Posted September 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2009 When I used to ride my bicycle everywhere (thus sparing world resources), women wanted to have me - for a night or three. When I got my BMW, women wanted to have me - for a husband. Trouble is, many of them are still having the night or three with the young bicyclists also.... Personally, I suspect the first war started when some long dead cavewoman refused sex because the neighbor's cave was nicer, leading to her mate taking said cave by force. Terry D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AluminumNeck Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 huh I always just told them I ate {censored}. can't rid of them after that either. There's a reason for that. When I used to ride my bicycle everywhere (thus sparing world resources), women wanted to have me - for a night or three. When I got my BMW, women wanted to have me - for a husband. It remains true of our species that the mating - social status game looks to displays of power and wealth. Just like peacocks we human males have to strut our plumes. It sucks. Nonetheless, it is the biggest driver of materialism. Let's face it - before you got out into the mating world, wasn't a bicycle good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beck Posted September 10, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 It has something to do with (drumroll, please) YOUR BALLS, GUYS. Testosterone is the drug that, with adrenaline, encourages a man to either fight, flee or f**k. These are what men like to do, the world over. (It's the drug of sexual desire in Women, too, but that's another story.) Speaking of balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sightkid Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 sad to hear that she left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Sayers Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 For me the sad aspect is that you eyed each other off firing guns and measuring your skills as killers. Doesn't give me a sense of intimacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beck Posted September 10, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 Like the Palestinian girl I alluded to while talking to Rudolf in another thread. Now that was a most bizarre encounter. She was an exchange student that I just happened to pass on the street on campus one night. She was standing by her car, which was blocked in by the cars in front and behind, so she couldn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 War? It's good for the people in the war industry who make billions of dollars from it. That is all that it is good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members coyote-1 Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 Huh?? I don't know anyone who doesn't eat {censored}!! That ain't a special thing nowadays huh I always just told them I ate {censored}. can't rid of them after that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beck Posted September 10, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 For me the sad aspect is that you eyed each other off firing guns and measuring your skills as killers.Doesn't give me a sense of intimacy. Well, you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hard Truth Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 Nice story Beck, you write about love and sex as well as the famous Mr. Knobs. (search out his legendary groupie stories) There's nothing like lifting a car to impress girls is there? It even beats opening jars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members halfnote Posted September 10, 2009 Members Share Posted September 10, 2009 Personally I think the source of most human problems is overpopulation, which today has reached the point that there's literally nowhere else to go, & we're all quickly reaching critical mass. Overpopulation's not new, of course, nor the only "cause" of conflict & in itself may be part of the long-standing effort of some ruling classes to keep people distracted with interpersonal competitiveness instead of developing cooperation. However, it's also true that, like "racism", xenophobia & other thinking problems war probably goes back to something innate in the brain or mind that develops or can be exploited.It can be observed in other animals, most notably our cousin apes. It may not need a real "reason" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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