Members Coach Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 Drop the '62ri Tele to the price of the '52ri and then I'll take interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 That's as wrong as saying anything under $700 is a piece of crap. I'm glad you wish to keep the economy rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EADGBE Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 To me paying $1,000 for a Strat is ridiculous...I don't think it's ridiculous if it's a well made guitar. Les Pauls are considerably more. If it's an American made guitar that is built to last a lifetime (maybe longer if it's taken care of) then I think it's a bargain. Think how much a Stradivarius costs. They're not cheap. By weight a strat is more. I like the sound of a guitar more than a violin. I would assume most people here do. For about a thousand dollars we can buy a guitar that's just as good as any other out there. I think that's a pretty good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't believe that a cheap guitar will ever beat a GOOD Gibson or Fender. Once again, I do believe there are crap Gibsons out there, but when they are good they are unbeatable. For the record, I don't own a Fender and the only Gibson I own is my J45 acoustic. Completely serious not being a smart ass question, do you know how the cost of wood has changed over the last five years or so? I can't find anything and I'm curious. I've played good Fenders and Gibsons. Usually they charge acordingly for such good guitars. Two that come to mind are a $5000 Les Paul from the 90s and a Rory Gallagher Fender. For those prices, there are plenty of alternatives, including Suhr, Anderson, Baker, McInturf, Watson, Melancon, Giffin, Hamer, etc. Often they're even cheaper. I haven't followed wood prices, but you can check eBay for single pieces. Some nice body pieces, air dried for 5 years, with flame, quilt, or other figures are $30, $45, $109 (OBO).Luthiers usually can get them cheaper. You can find them at suppliers for $60-$130 list, depending on the actual wood. For a company like Fender or Gibson costs are obviously much lower. I checked this site with links many years ago:http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/suppliers.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve_man Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 Is $999 a new price point set by Fender now, or is it a temporary sale price? I have regularly seen them go for $799-$899 since the price increase last year. When they were doing the $100 rebate on them, I could have picked one up for $699 brand new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doc oc Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 Where are you guys finding these new prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhorne Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 Where are you guys finding these new prices? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=105505 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Maess Posted January 4, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 Is $999 a new price point set by Fender now, or is it a temporary sale price? I have regularly seen them go for $799-$899 since the price increase last year. When they were doing the $100 rebate on them, I could have picked one up for $699 brand new... According to a dealer friend, these are the new prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheFigurehead Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't agree with him saying there aren't good sub 700 dollar guitars, but you are also paying for quality craftsmanshipYes, those CNC machines in TN and CA are far superior craftsman to the CNC machines in China and Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsman Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I'm just really happy I bought a new MIM standard in August on a "Fender Friday" deal at $299. Something tells me we'll never see that again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inspector 71 Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think they almost fell victim to the elite's business model to destroy companies within and have them bought out by Chase Manhattan. I like cheaper prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapbladder Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 With the way these prices have been whipsawing, it's obvious that price has little to do with cost. SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members headstash Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 What willbe really interesting is the effect this will have on the used market. I had seen pristine used American strats and teles going for as much as $850 for the past year. Lately I've seen used American strat prices dip below the $600, which I haven't seen for ages. Now that this price cut is permenant, I would bet that the used prices continue to fall as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evh1984 Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 If it had a humbucker and flush-mounted Floyd, $999 be worth it. As it stands, it's only worth $848.76... (I arrived at that amount via vast scientifical research and copious amounts of Yeungling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Foamoi_refreshe Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 jesus, all you guys are complaining about the cost of $900 for an american standard strat, come over to the uk, and they are about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chief Ten Beers Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think Fender saw what the oil companies have been doing and said "why not?" So they jacked up their prices, got everyone to scream about it, and not this big "price cut" takes them back to where they were in some cases (higher in other cases) and this thread is all "wow, Fender cut prices, let's buy buy buy!"Sorry, I ain't fallin for it..yep pretty much,they realized their mistake because their sales dropped way off as i expected.now the big price cuts....puhlease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WildWill Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 All I know is, I'm pretty sure that folks that bought new at the higher prices simply because the MIA Fenders "hold their value better than anything and are a good investment" are doing a bit of right now. I think the new prices are a good move on Fenders part. I hope they sell as many guitars as they can build and that the price cuts eventually end up across the board. I'd love to see more guitarists buying American Fenders (and any other American brand) in the very near future. Heck, they may even catch me at a weak moment and I'll end up with an American Telecaster... I go through periods of nearly uncontrollable GAS for one followed by moments of reason that keeps me paying the mortgage and putting food on the table instead. But a GAS-addled mind can justify a lot of things if the price is right enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WildWill Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 ... http://www.artistryintitanium.com/ Oh. My. Goodness. I WANT ONE!That is nearly as bad-ass as having a swimming pool full of sharks with laser beams! (and waaaayyyy better than a pool full of ill-tempered sea bass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KidEh Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 i got mine just right before the price hike. How much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fw190 Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 jesus, all you guys are complaining about the cost of $900 for an american standard strat, come over to the uk, and they are about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Selsaral Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I got a Deluxe series Fender last Monday, about three days before Fender dropped their prices, but Elderly was nice enough to credit me the 100$ difference. Yay for me. But apparently they had me either way. GAS was talking and my wallet was answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dangerine49 Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 It's basically economics in action. They tried to upsell product at higher margins, a la Gibson, and it failed. But their current "lower" prices are still too high. I bought a brand new MIA Series Tele with the $100 ash body up charge for $735 total in 2004. That same guitar now sells for 56.4% more at $1150 according to MF. I would only buy used from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhorne Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 It's basically economics in action. They tried to upsell product at higher margins, a la Gibson, and it failed. But their current "lower" prices are still too high.I bought a brand new MIA Series Tele with the $100 ash body up charge for $735 total in 2004. That same guitar now sells for 56.4% more at $1150 according to MF. I would only buy used from now on. The key phrase there is 'according to MF'. If a guitar has a MAP of $1150, you should be able to find it somewhere for around $900 or so. If the 'new' price on the American Strat is $999, then you should be able to easily get one out the door for around $800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bert-O-325 Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 I wonder if this was Fender's plan all along...To raise prices & get everyone's hackles up, and secretly wrench their hopes of being able to afford a USA strat or Tele, + probably wrangle some "creative" business/tax dodge...Then wait for the new year to kick in and drop JUST the prices on the USA-mades to capture all those who were just on the verge of giving up hope. Tricking them into crawling just that little ways NORTH of their normal purchasing boundaries?Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Selsaral Posted January 4, 2010 Members Share Posted January 4, 2010 The key phrase there is 'according to MF'. If a guitar has a MAP of $1150, you should be able to find it somewhere for around $900 or so.If the 'new' price on the American Strat is $999, then you should be able to easily get one out the door for around $800. Those are actually legit street prices. The current (post-price-reduction) MAP on that ash american tele is 1400$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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