Members Fireproof Posted November 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Yep, I agree with the above. He does amazing things with the guitar. Sure he's over the top. But that's part of his schtick. I mean, just look at his website. And his repeated use of "alien" and what not. He's "out there". But his music and skills are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRPool Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Great player and all. Clearly one of the best...but he looks to me like a guitar playing Liberace. How 'bout some jeans and a t-shirt. Lose the gay chain and rhinestones. It would be much easier to watch. liberace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lloop9 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Wow, can't believe some pple are bashing Steve there! Tender Surrender is one of most emotionally-charged piece I've heard. Give the guy a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members otis_rush_fan Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 I can simultaneously appreciate and deprecate his genius. He's the perfect post-modern guitar hero, for what it's worth. The man plays with his soul. Just b/c you don't like his soul, don't come down on his playing, which is flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlackHatHunter Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by Gex Ive listened to alot of guitarists that people rave about, and I dont hear much of this so called "emotion." They dont have a fraction of the emotion Steve's got, in my opinion. Unless you're gonna name names, this argument is both pointless and moot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave_Mc_2 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 i only got to watch that now, since my soundcard was broken it was awesome- that's the album version of tender surrender, right? (it sounds exactly the same) i especially liked the bits where he used his right hand to point out the legato notes his left hand was playing and the bit in the middle of the fast lick where he ran his hand through his hair- awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skilo885 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 This is turning into the biggest "Let's see who can suck off Steve Vai the hardest" thread... He's a great player, no one argued against that, he just sounds like a machine to me...nothing to get excited about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members warriorxtman Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 You can't name any player, not one that is going to impress everybody here. Some people will love the player and others won't. How can we criticize Vai for how he dresses and acts? He plays circles around 99.9% of us and makes a living touring the world while we just watch. If he came to your local bar because he was visiting his wife's cousin, you'd be there in a heartbeat to meet him or see him sit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skilo885 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by warriorxtman You can't name any player, not one that is going to impress everybody here. Some people will love the player and others won't. How can we criticize Vai for how he dresses and acts? He plays circles around 99.9% of us and makes a living touring the world while we just watch. If he came to your local bar because he was visiting his wife's cousin, you'd be there in a heartbeat to meet him or see him sit in. um no, I honestly could care less of meeting Steve Vai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AtomHeartMother Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by Skilo885 um no, I honestly could care less of meeting Steve Vai So you COULD care less then, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skilo885 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by AtomHeartMother So you COULD care less then, huh? lol, you knew what I meant... But for the record: I would not get in my car and drive to a bar to meet Steve Vai...I just dont care to meet him or listen to his music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AtomHeartMother Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by Skilo885 lol, you knew what I meant... But for the record: I would not get in my car and drive to a bar to meet Steve Vai...I just dont care to meet him or listen to his music... Me neither. I imagine that it would be packed as hell. A lot of people masturbate at the thought of seeing even the more minor of celebrities (even ones they know nothing about). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skilo885 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by AtomHeartMother Me neither. I imagine that it would be packed as hell. A lot of people masturbate at the thought of seeing even the more minor of celebrities (even ones they know nothing about). Your very right....im not gonna stand in line to jerk Steve Vai off... I might go out of my way to meet, oh lets say, SRV or Hendrix though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FckStick Jones Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 That was the gayest {censored}ing thing I've ever seen. I cant beleive someone thought the fingers thru hair thing was cool. Holy {censored}, what a dick. He's like the Zoolander of guitar. Theres a world of difference between Santana's and SRV's instrumentals and this poser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skilo885 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by FckStick Jones Theres a world of difference between Santana's and SRV's instrumentals and this poser. Very true....To me, it just looks like he's acting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mild7 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Man, if you guys don't like Vai, just say you don't like his music. Nothing wrong with that. But to say he plays with no emotion is ridiculous. The guy plays his heart and soul out!!! There are many forms of musical expression. Playing one note and bending it for 10 minutes is one of them, playing the {censored} out of your guitar is another. There is no right or wrong. You guys need to realise that music existed way before the blues did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 I liked this video, it was for the most part cool, I think it would have been a little more musicaly appealing if that solo he did was truncated, it went a little overboard, still good but it would have been more pleasing and focused if he didnt go off on such a tangent............ before I get flamed for that, Vai will be the first to admit (and has done so in interviews) that he is guilty of what he calls "linear diahrea".... but I am as well so I cant really judge him without being a hypocrite.... If you are not a shred or prog fan, I dont think you will like Vai's stuff, but thats just personal preference and everyone is different, and everyone is entitled to voice their opinions from their perspectives:wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlackHatHunter Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by mild7 You guys need to realise that music existed way before the blues did. ...and it will exist long after shred is dead - if it's not already... so what's your point? Realistically, I think most people here agree that the guy is a technical monster, that he plays like a pure poser, and that he is a successful guitar player in that he has received critical and commercial acclaim throughout his career, not to mention that he has been able to live off his music while most of us have not. This said, he is still way too {censored}ing in love with himself, hence a lot of the negative comments that showed up in this thread. I will give this to Vai: you either love him or hate him. Not too many people in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members superpoo Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 that was some awesome playing. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mild7 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by FckStick Jones That was the gayest {censored}ing thing I've ever seen. I cant beleive someone thought the fingers thru hair thing was cool. Holy {censored}, what a dick. He's like the Zoolander of guitar. Theres a world of difference between Santana's and SRV's instrumentals and this poser. Hmmmm...... well, Vai is very big fan of Prince. Tender Surrender (the song in the vid) is kind of a tribute to him. But if everyone just listened to ppl like you there would be no David Lee Roth, no Led Zeppelin, no Prince, no nothing. Nobody would go anywhere and everyone would be self-conscious ppl too afraid to break any barriers. Then again, that's why you and I are posting on a forum while Vai is living his dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mild7 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by BlackHatHunter ...and it will exist long after shred is dead - if it's not already... so what's your point?Realistically, I think most people here agree that the guy is a technical monster, that he plays like a pure poser, and that he is a successful guitar player in that he has received critical and commercial acclaim throughout his career, not to mention that he has been able to live off his music while most of us have not.This said, he is still way too {censored}ing in love with himself, hence a lot of the negative comments that showed up in this thread. I will give this to Vai: you either love him or hate him. Not too many people in between. Just to let you know, I am a huge blues fan and I don't listen to much shred. I can't sweep pick, and I never tap. My point was, that ppl express themselves through an instrument differently. It seems to be the general consensus here that emotion is a slow blues. That's all that I'm saying, if you don't agree that's fine by me. Rgding your comment on him being 'too {censored}ing in love with himself', that is very true. I don't think that's a bad thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fireproof Posted November 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by mild7 Just to let you know, I am a huge blues fan and I don't listen to much shred. I can't sweep pick, and I never tap. My point was, that ppl express themselves through an instrument differently. It seems to be the general consensus here that emotion is a slow blues. That's all that I'm saying, if you don't agree that's fine by me. Rgding your comment on him being 'too {censored}ing in love with himself', that is very true. I don't think that's a bad thing though. Yeah, I agree with this. And I also agree with BlackHatHunter in that he seems to be in love with himself and too over the top. But for some reason, that is kind of what is fun to watch about him, for me. I mean, it would be different if he SUCKED and still acted like that. But he doesn't. And maybe I just wish I was so good at something myself, that I could get away with acting like that. I mean - I'll never be light years within this guy's abilities (or many of you guys, I'm sure). So I would look retarded "brushing the hair back" like he does (unless it was a purposeful parody). But man I would love to be able to have some gift to be that arrogant about. (Not that I would...) But I appreciate all kinds of players and styles and enjoy watching them all for different reasons....Page, Clapton, Hendrix, Prince...all the way to Kirk Hammett or Petrucci or Vai or Paul Gilbert or Nuno Bettencourt. Then there are some that just really do nothing for me (like Malmsteen or Eric Johnson), but they obviously have their followings and are amazing musicians... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DylanWilde Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Does anyone else not find that very impressive? Crappy tone, horrible production, overplayed, complete lack of real emotion, etc. Its just funny to watch him try to play something other than complex metal derivatives, since his over the top style and cheesy tone just make him obviously detached and ridiculous looking. He does have fantastic technique, but he seems to be at a loss to apply it in a way that is truly emotional and honest and dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave_Mc_2 Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 Originally posted by FckStick Jones I cant beleive someone thought the fingers thru hair thing was cool. man, i have to sig that anyway, as for the blues thing (and emotion et al) i love guys like srv i love steve vai's playing (in a totally macho non-gay way of course) i don't really see why you have to be mutually exclusive- i get off on both good blues playing and technical playing- and, fwiw, IMO vai is emotional- listen to lotus feet (i'd have said tender surrender, but that was that song ) and in case you didn't know, guys like paganini were playing, and guys like vivaldi and bach were writing (and playing) stuff as complicated as that long before the blues, it's not just vai and malmsteen that can play like that, and it's not only guitar related. it just seems that most people here are either blues guys or shred guys, and i'm both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DylanWilde Posted November 12, 2005 Members Share Posted November 12, 2005 The problem is, Bach fugues fit the organ and sound brilliant and mature. Electric guitar is a very different beast. I believe that if one wants to play classical leaning styles of music, you do it with a classical guitar, since it sounds lovely, tasteful and natural. Using a big distorted electric guitar to do it is more than cheesy. Have you listened to Vai do Bach's 5th symphony? Its a joke. I just laugh. Electric guitar is not piano, nor violin, nor cello or any of those, and is not suited to produce, natural tasteful tones for complex classical-style music. It comes off sounding ridiculous and goofy (i.e. Vai). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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