Members fusionfunk Posted February 14, 2011 Members Share Posted February 14, 2011 Ian Paice, by a mile! But, as far as the poll goes, I have to give to Bonzo. Most of you on this forum, know how I feel about Wrongo, I mean Ringo. He barely qualifies as a drummer at all, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members race81 Posted February 14, 2011 Members Share Posted February 14, 2011 you really must define when what your thought of when rock and roll started. Peart??? Sandy Nelson???? a question with no true answer......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rdrummer322 Posted February 14, 2011 Members Share Posted February 14, 2011 Besides the fact I have always despised Bonham's drumming, don't even listen to rock radio for fear of hearing another Zeppelin tune, Ringo wasn't really all that great either. For 1963 though, Ringo was in the forefront of modern rock drumming, not afraid to play any style, inventing never heard before grooves, bending the curve of drumming in positive directions. By 1970, drumming had come along way, as had rock, and other than hitting the drums hard and unbelievably low drum tuning, Bonham really had nothing to add that hadn't been done plenty before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 Texas International Pop Festival August 30-September 1, 1969 Sunday, August 31 1 - Chicago Transit Authority 2 - bJames Cotton Blues Band 3 - Delaney & Bonnie & Friends 4 - Incredible String Band 5 - B.B. King 6 - Led Zeppelin 7 - Herbie Mann 8 - Sam & Dave 9 - Santana Pop just means popular. I have that recording,It's very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 ...other than hitting the drums hard and unbelievably low drum tuning, Bonham really had nothing to add that hadn't been done plenty before. Wow. Just...sad for you that you think so.You don't like his playing, that's fine.To sum up an undeniable massive influence that simply though... Bitter about something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 Mitch Mitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skinthrasher Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 charlie watts. Come on! Dude the last time this came up you picked Ringo! WTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 My ringo camp is loosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed Phobes Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 unbelievably low drum tuning, Bonham He kept his drums tuned rather tight, in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boomboomdrums Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 I voted for Bonzo. It ain't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 I can agree with this, except I don't like Meg White, so I guess what I was trying to discover is who is the most liked drummer of the two then. In my opinion chops aren't everything, but they are at least a minimum requirement to be considered the best ever. And I don't think Ringo quite had what it takes in that respect to be considered. You can't say that a pure homerun hitter was the best baseball player ever. You need to have the whole package to really deserve consideration for that title. That's really my only point. I don't care who people think the best is, I just don't think it's Ringo. But there is no "best". That's the part you're not getting. Baseball is a very good analogy. Who's the best baseball player ever? Impossible to answer. So many different positions and skill sets required there is no possible way any ONE factor can be more important than any other. And the "whole package" is subjective in music. Like I said...technique is about the ONLY thing that is objectively comparable in drumming. But technique is so unimportant to making great music. That's not to say guys with great technique don't sound great musically....but would you really want twist and shout to have some bohnam triplet fills in it? No...it would sound {censored}ing stupid. Take these two songs.... [video=youtube;6wp91YPGnLw] Ringo's drumming is perfect. The strange hiccup fills every second bar are fantastically original. Bonham could NEVER fill like that. Not because he wasn't physically capable, but because he wasn't mentally capable of coming up with something like that. Nobody could...because they were {censored}ing weird fills! Now do those fills take a lot of difficult "technique"? Of course not. But the greatness of that drumming is not in the technique...it's in the originality. Those types of fills were his bread and butter on the later beatles stuff. I can imagine how Bonham would have played this song and while it would have created something interesting it would have been totally different, and quite frankly would have made the song more straight forward in my opinion. Now imagine ringo playing something like this... [video=youtube;zE-JQzj2aEA] No way right? Just doesn't have the chops to do that type of stuff. Bonham's use of syncopated triplets is outstanding. But having said that the stuff he is doing is fairly straight forward from a drumming perspective. I know people into rock will think that video is Bonham being totally original but the fact is much of that is all lifted from Jazz....which is where his influences were. The swing pattern is typical blues/jazz just on a rock kit with a heavy hand and the triplet fills while awesome sounding are basically watered down versions of what Elvin Jones was doing years before. Actually thinking about this as I type Ringo was really a far more creative drummer in many ways than Bonham. But as I said before bonham can school him on a lot of the technique stuff. So which is better? You do see the problem there right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buckin Fastard Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 Billy Cobham and Alex Acu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agogobill Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 by the way, who's the best drummer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bitter Dawn Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 by the way, who's the best drummer? Buddy, most likely. Voted for Bonham, despite that I agree with both kmart and Rum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 by the way, who's the best drummer? Correct. ... and I vote for Ringo again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eloydrummerboy Posted February 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 But there is no "best". That's the part you're not getting. Baseball is a very good analogy. Who's the best baseball player ever? Impossible to answer. Exactly, but you can with good faith say that Rafael Palmeiro isn't it. He was a great player. He did was he did very well. But he isn't the best player ever. If someone wanted to argue that he was, I could find somebody who is obviously better than him (let's say Babe Ruth) and have people vote. This is a way to show that person that while Rafael Palmeiro is good, he's obviously not the best. That's all that was going on here. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eloydrummerboy Posted February 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 And secondly, for the end all be all, and in real life there is no way of knowing and there is no true purpose in trying to figure out who the best drummer is. I totally get that. But this is an internet forum and I come here because I'm interested in music and I enjoy debating these things with people. You are going to bring up arguments about Ringo that I had never thought of before and I'm going to learn something, I might bring up arguments about Bonham that you haven't noticed in his playing and you might learn something. It's not the destination, It's the journey. It really doesn't matter to me if I change anyone's mind, and I really don't expect to. But arguing about it, talking about music and influences and techniques and history, is fun to me. Nobody really knows who the best sports team is or who's going to win any particular game, history shows us that. The biggest underdogs will sometimes take out the biggest powerhouses. But that still isn't going to stop fans of either team from talking trash and arguing with each other over it. That's half the fun for a lot of people. How boring would it be if everyone just walked around shaking hands and saying "Good luck today, I have no idea who might win tonight. I hope it is my team though. You team has a chance to win also though." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted February 15, 2011 Members Share Posted February 15, 2011 by the way, who's the best drummer? Moon was the whos best drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AliceinChains Posted February 17, 2011 Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 thats a dumb question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eloydrummerboy Posted February 17, 2011 Author Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 thats a dumb question There are no dumb questions. Just dumb thread responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted February 17, 2011 Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 Come on! Dude the last time this came up you picked Ringo! WTF! see, i know you're wrong because i'd never say anything good about the beatles OR ringo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bitter Dawn Posted February 17, 2011 Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 There are no dumb questions. Just dumb thread responses. Guitarist, opinion on drummers is void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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