Members Roadappledrumme Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 NIAGARA FALLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dancebass Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Uh.....that's how much cash the bar owner claimed was in the safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RHA Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Uh.....that's how much cash the bar owner claimed was in the safe! ...and it was probably stolen by a musician the guy stiffed the night before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members piersonm Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Most places could cough up more but, most bands that think they deserve to make a grand a night don't even deserve a round every set. Just like a real job, ya can't expect to be President in a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicchic Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Maybe bands should "play as they pay".... and start telling clubs if they pay more, we'll play better! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dancebass Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Maybe bands should "play as they pay".... and start telling clubs if they pay more, we'll play better! That's how strippers operate and they're not hurting for cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members piersonm Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Maybe bands should "play as they pay".... and start telling clubs if they pay more, we'll play better!:-) Give it a try and tell us how it goes. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicchic Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Would be a pretty funny schtick actually. As people come up and tip we start playing better.... lol Think I might try it at our next gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 NIAGARA FALLS—A safe with $6,450 was stolen from a Third Street bar overnight, Niagara Falls police said Monday. A repairman arriving at the Tap Room on Monday morning discovered a broken window. Police found a basement door forced open, with a $1,500 camera stolen along with the $200 safe, which contained $6,450 in cash, stolen. The total loss was placed at $8,450. I don't know this bar or if they even have bands, but if this is any indication of the kind of cash floating around bars, I certainly won't feel bad for sticking to my guns about price when the owner cries about the 'ol "Slow" night and wants the band to play for less money. You don't know if that number is accurate, if it's normal, how many day's receipts it represented, or what it's intended use is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 NIAGARA FALLS—A safe with $6,450 was stolen from a Third Street bar overnight, Niagara Falls police said Monday. A repairman arriving at the Tap Room on Monday morning discovered a broken window. Police found a basement door forced open, with a $1,500 camera stolen along with the $200 safe, which contained $6,450 in cash, stolen. The total loss was placed at $8,450. I don't know this bar or if they even have bands, but if this is any indication of the kind of cash floating around bars, I certainly won't feel bad for sticking to my guns about price when the owner cries about the 'ol "Slow" night and wants the band to play for less money. Does that amount of cash on hand surprise you? If so, is the bar small or not busy generally? $6.5k cash in a bar is not anywhere near 'surprising' in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rezrover Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 A lot of bars have cash accounts for whatever reason. Some bars cash payroll checks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Simple math sez a busy bar that holds 200 would have at least $4k in the safe at the end of the night - no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mr3lions Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Not a lot of money IMO. No details about how many days the cash was there. if it was after a weekend and the report does say Monday, then they would probably have the weekends receipts in the safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 Does that amount of cash on hand surprise you? If so, is the bar small or not busy generally?$6.5k cash in a bar is not anywhere near 'surprising' in my experience. Ditto. The till at one of my gigs in a 75 seat club 15 years ago rang out at almost $2500 from just one night from 8 PM (shift change ) to closing at 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badhabit Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 $2,500.00 from 75 seats = $33.33 each. Assume every person tipped 10%, and that means every person ( 75 people ) drank $30.00 worth of booze based on prices 15 yrs. ago. I'll be real generous and say the bar charged $5.00 a drink, regardless of what it was and that there were actually 75 people there. That would mean, each person drank 6 drinks. However, there could be, and probably was, some turnover. How much, who can tell, unless a head count was down at the door. Needless to say, most people today do NOT drink that much booze in a bar anymore. IMO, this is primarily due to three things. The overall economy, the increased cost of drinks at bars and the stricter enforcement and punishment of DUI. Most folks WANT to drink more but they are either afraid to or cannot afford to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 $2,500.00 from 75 seats = $33.33 each. Assume every person tipped 10%, and that means every person ( 75 people ) drank $30.00 worth of booze based on prices 15 yrs. ago. I'll be real generous and say the bar charged $5.00 a drink, regardless of what it was and that there were actually 75 people there. That would mean, each person drank 6 drinks. However, there could be, and probably was, some turnover. How much, who can tell, unless a head count was down at the door. Needless to say, most people today do NOT drink that much booze in a bar anymore. IMO, this is primarily due to three things. The overall economy, the increased cost of drinks at bars and the stricter enforcement and punishment of DUI. Most folks WANT to drink more but they are either afraid to or cannot afford to. Yeah, we get turnover, we also get about 100-125 folks in those clubs. Most of them have to stand, but oh well. But yeah, there isn't the drinking going on that there used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badhabit Posted March 17, 2010 Members Share Posted March 17, 2010 But yeah, there isn't the drinking going on that there used to be. Ain't that the truth. I guess it's good, or bad, depending on where you stand. Less drunk drivers, that's GOOD. Less alcoholism, that's GOOD. But, it does mean an establishment must get many more people in their place and charge more for drinks to earn the same amount they used to. That hurts both the establishment and the paid staff, whether you're a bartender, a waitress, a cook or an entertainer. "Everything must change Nothing stays the same Everyone must change No one stays the same" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mr3lions Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 $2,500.00 from 75 seats = $33.33 each. Assume every person tipped 10%, and that means every person ( 75 people ) drank $30.00 . or my ex-drummer could have been the only person there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badhabit Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 I can see why he would be an EX-drummer if that was his bar tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hegmatronicon Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 Wow...6 drinks each and you guys are saying that most ppl wouldnt have drank that much? Things must be different out there.... If we are going out drinking for the night - it's not unusual for us to spend upwards of $75-$90 each on booze at the pub (or pubs i guess).If a Jim Beam and coke (in a bottle) is $8....well...yeah. And that's not even on a "big" night. Altho - we dont tip out here so that takes out some of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 My two cents on playing for cheap. If you play for cheap, you'll be looked on as a cheap band, not worth more than a cheap price. In business, I've found, many people just ask for a cheap price as a standard phrase. If they get it fine; if they don't, it didn't cost them anything to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badhabit Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 Uhh, yeah, you're in Australia. What's the fine and court costs for a DUI? Here in the USA, .08 alcohol content is over legal limit and arrestable. 1st time offenders in CA = loss of license and approx. 5K in fines and court costs. Things have changed here in the USA re: drinking habits, and quite a bit. Even manufacturers of booze advertise "responsible" drinking. Really, the only ones getting plastered anymore are the hardcore alcys and the kids, who haven't learned any better yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rorylawford Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 Wow...6 drinks each and you guys are saying that most ppl wouldnt have drank that much? Things must be different out there.... If we are going out drinking for the night - it's not unusual for us to spend upwards of $75-$90 each on booze at the pub (or pubs i guess). If a Jim Beam and coke (in a bottle) is $8....well...yeah. And that's not even on a "big" night. Yeah, same here where I am. But Heg, you're in Australia and I'm in Canada - two countries where massive drinking is raised to an artform LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 Yep. It's really been cracked down on here. When I was a kid, the drinking age here was 19, 18 in Montana and Wyoming. Washington was 21, so here in North Idaho the clubs would be packed. Legal BAC level in Idaho was.12%. Then the federal government arm twisted the states to raise the age to 21 or risk losing federal highway funds. Then, they started getting pressure from MADD and insurance groups to lower the BAC level to .10 and then .08; soon it might be down to .06 and some places are talking about .05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hegmatronicon Posted March 18, 2010 Members Share Posted March 18, 2010 Uhh, yeah, you're in Australia. What's the fine and court costs for a DUI? Here in the USA, .08 alcohol content is over legal limit and arrestable. 1st time offenders in CA = loss of license and approx. 5K in fines and court costs. Things have changed here in the USA re: drinking habits, and quite a bit. Even manufacturers of booze advertise "responsible" drinking. Really, the only ones getting plastered anymore are the hardcore alcys and the kids, who haven't learned any better yet. Everything you said is the same here - except the BAC is .05 I didnt say we were driving when we were drinking. If we are "out drinking" we either catch a taxi to someone's house locally and stay there, walk somewhere local and stay there, or have a DD for the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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