Members Vito Corleone Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 well, its stupid to celebrate a holiday if you don't believe in it. The silly left-leaners want it to be a non-religeous holiday, void of anything Christ-like. Why not just ignore it if your beliefs aren't Christian? No, it's the retailers who want it to be a non-religious holiday. They want to sell as much crap as they can and they don't care WHY anyone buys it. So if they want to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas that's their right to do so. And if individuals want to focus more on the spirit of gift-giving and family and all the Santa Claus and reindeer and other non-religious stuff that has been piled onto the holiday over the decades, they have every right to do so as well. And, of course, there ARE other holidays besides just Christmas that get celebrated at this time of year as well. And retailers who want to include everyone in order to increase their sales have every right to do so. I would think the silly right-leaners would understand THAT concept more than anyone, shouldn't they? For those who are truely Christian, I would think they'd be more offended by the crass commercialization done in their Lord's name rather than be offended that the crass commercialization is NOT being done in their Lord's name. Seriously---do you really think the Jesus would be upset that the people getting killed over a 2-dollar waffle iron in WalMart are doing so under a "Seasons' Greetings" sign rather than one that says "Merry Christmas"? The Christ was taken out of Christmas over 100 years ago the first time a department store staring using the holiday as an excuse to make money. It wasn't done by the silly left-leaners. It's a free country. People can celebrate whatever holiday they want for whatever reason they want. And the stores selling them the crap can call it whatever they want. The only ones trying to push THEIR religious beliefs on anyone are all those insisting that all this crass commercialism be called "Christmas". In a similar fashion, I can't understand this insitance by religious folk to have "In God We Trust" printed on MONEY. Is there anything more grubby and dirty and corrupt than CASH? Maybe I just don't understand the whole God thing enough, but I really don't think He probably appreciates His name being printed on something being used to buy drugs and to rent prostitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vermoulian Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 Last night I was playing a party with a pick-up group of friends. Somebody had the bright idea to play "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer." It has been a LONG, LONG time since I've seen a song clear a room as effectively as that one did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 . .I'm pretty sure most retailers don't care one way or the other. Its silly to think that they wouldn't want to also sell religious items, along with all the other buy, buy, buy, gifts. Why would they want to eliminate the faith-based stuff from their inventory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 For those who are truely Christian, I would think they'd be more offended by the crass commercialization done in their Lord's name rather than be offended that the crass commercialization is NOT being done in their Lord's name. .and yes, most of us saddened by this very thing. That's pretty easy to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 I'm pretty sure most retailers don't care one way or the other. Its silly to think that they wouldn't want to also sell religious items, along with all the other buy, buy, buy, gifts. Why would they want to eliminate the faith-based stuff from their inventory? I suppose rather than "non religous" I should have said they want it to be as "all inclusive" as possible. You're right. I don't think they care one way or the other. They just want to sell {censored}. Whether that's manger scenes or Santas with elves or Minorahs. But you wanna talk about the world being upside down--what's upside down to me is the fact that me, a typical secularist leftee, doesn't care one way of the other if the clerk at the store says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or Have A Nice Kwanzaa or whatever they want to say. I'll smile and give them their greeting, or one of my own, right back at them with full joy in my heart. OTHO, my mother, typical conservative talk-radio fan that she is, actually relishes going into stores and spitting the words "MERRY CHRISTMAS" into the face of any store-clerk who dares to say "Season's Greetings" to her. Where is the Christian love and spirit in THAT? I'm sorry. It's the so-easily offennnnnnnnnnnnnnnded Christians who have turned all this nonsense upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 and yes, most of us saddened by this very thing. That's pretty easy to notice. Then what's up with Christians who are boycotting retailers who don't wish to use "Merry Christmas" to promote their year-end over-commercialized sale-a-thons? You'd think they'd be GLAD to see retailers who might understand Christmas should remain Holy and let the secularists have all the commericialized junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 well, its stupid to celebrate a holiday if you don't believe in it. The silly left-leaners want it to be a non-religeous holiday, void of anything Christ-like. Why not just ignore it if your beliefs aren't Christian? Oh, so Christmas, is ONLY for those who believe in big baby jesus, then? Again, it's really sad how so many who align with Christianity are so adamantly/militantly un-Christian in their actions. First off, I believe in Xmas all right: it's a special day when I get together with family and close friends as a way to show how much we care for each other. Funny how my interpretation of Xmas, which is about inclusiveness & sharing, is far more Xtian than yours, especially as I'm an atheist. Second, do some history homework: the general timing of the Christmas holiday aligns with the PAGAN winter solstice: Christianity glommed on to that celebration after the fact, so if anything, according to your beliefs, you should be the one who doesn't celebrate Xmas as we know it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cherri Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 We do "Rockin Around the Christmas Tree" and close a set with acapella "O Holy Night". If I haven't mentioned already, its a treat to sing with Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 I suppose rather than "non religous" I should have said they want it to be as "all inclusive" as possible. You're right. I don't think they care one way or the other. They just want to sell {censored}. Whether that's manger scenes or Santas with elves or Minorahs.But you wanna talk about the world being upside down--what's upside down to me is the fact that me, a typical secularist leftee, doesn't care one way of the other if the clerk at the store says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or Have A Nice Kwanzaa or whatever they want to say. I'll smile and give them their greeting, or one of my own, right back at them with full joy in my heart. OTHO, my mother, typical conservative talk-radio fan that she is, actually relishes going into stores and spitting the words "MERRY CHRISTMAS" into the face of any store-clerk who dares to say "Season's Greetings" to her. Where is the Christian love and spirit in THAT?I'm sorry. It's the so-easily offennnnnnnnnnnnnnnded Christians who have turned all this nonsense upside down.As a Christian, I don't care either how the greeting or well wishing is worded. I have respect for those with beliefs different than mine. I wouldn't expect someone to give a Christ-based greeting if it is not in their personal beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 If I haven't mentioned already, its a treat to sing with Sandy.very nice song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Then what's up with Christians who are boycotting retailers who don't wish to use "Merry Christmas" to promote their year-end over-commercialized sale-a-thons? You'd think they'd be GLAD to see retailers who might understand Christmas should remain Holy and let the secularists have all the commericialized junk.that is within the consumer's power to boycott for whatever reason they see fit. Although "boycotting" might be a backwards way of seeing it. The positive way of viewing it would be to spend one's money with a retailer who relates more to their personal views. For example, not buying from Target/Daytons because part of the consumer's $$ goes to planned parenthood, and instead shopping somewhere that doesn't do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 that is within the consumer's power to boycott for whatever reason they see fit. Absolutely. My point is just that only people actually upset and offended by private citizen's/businesses decisions on how they want to celebrate/advertise the holiday season are the Christians. They are upset that some stores use "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas"? Fine. That's their right. But to pretend that the stores' reasons for using "Happy Holidays" in the first place is to somehow insult them is absurd. For example, not buying from Target/Daytons because part of the consumer's $$ goes to planned parenthood, and instead shopping somewhere that doesn't do so. Exactly. Similarly, the only reason I bother to ever listen to Sean Hannity for even the few seconds/minutes I find him tolerable is due to the enjoyment I get from knowing that a small amount of money from each of his broadcasts is donated to Planned Parenthood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chicken Monkey Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 So we're just going to derail this thread into a {censored}fest, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 So we're just going to derail this thread into a {censored}fest, huh? look like it. My suggestion is that Dave needs to stop going political in a music forum. We have a very active political forum for that kind of stuff. This place should be about music.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P37xPiRz1sg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Again, it's really sad how so many who align with Christianity are so adamantly/militantly un-Christian in their actions.First off, I believe in Xmas all right: it's a special day when I get together with family and close friends as a way to show how much we care for each other. Funny how my interpretation of Xmas, which is about inclusiveness & sharing, is far more Xtian than yours, especially as I'm an atheist.Second, do some history homework: the general timing of the Christmas holiday aligns with the PAGAN winter solstice: Christianity glommed on to that celebration after the fact, so if anything, according to your beliefs, you should be the one who doesn't celebrate Xmas as we know it today.well, yes, of course CHRISTmas is a Christian celebration. I am certainly for all who get together with family and friends, whenever that time may be. and yes, I've done my homeword, but I appreciate your concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 look like it. My suggestion is that Dave needs to stop going political in a music forum. We have a very active political forum for that kind of stuff. This place should be about music Re-read the thread. I didn't start it. Why are singling ME out here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Absolutely. My point is just that only people actually upset and offended by private citizen's/businesses decisions on how they want to celebrate/advertise the holiday season are the Christians. They are upset that some stores use "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas"? Fine. That's their right. But to pretend that the stores' reasons for using "Happy Holidays" in the first place is to somehow insult them is absurd.Exactly. Similarly, the only reason I bother to ever listen to Sean Hannity for even the few seconds/minutes I find him tolerable is due to the enjoyment I get from knowing that a small amount of money from each of his broadcasts is donated to Planned Parenthood.the only reason I can stand listening to Hannity is because occasionally he has guests on who aren't blowhards like him. Of course, he is no worse than Colmes was on the other side. Its just a program created to try and stir things up. Certainly was nothing new or revolutionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Re-read the thread. I didn't start it. Why are singling ME out here? Because its been your MO for about the last couple months. I will say again take it to the political forum. You need to be singled out , and take Kmart with you. You will find plenty of people to debate over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 the only reason I can stand listening to Hannity is because occasionally he has guests on who aren't blowhards like him. Of course, he is no worse than Colmes was on the other side. Its just a program created to try and stir things up. Certainly was nothing new or revolutionary. Colmes' show is, at least, largely humor-based. I'm not sure Hannity HAS a sense of humor. In fact, conservatives and humor, in general, seem to be rather at odds with each other. Interesting that the vast majority of comedians seem to be liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Because its been your MO for about the last couple months. I will say again take it to the political forum. You need to be singled out , and take Kmart with you. You will find plenty of people to debate over there. MY MO? How so? I don't think you'll find too many political discussions on this forum that I've been involved in that have started with a post by ME. It's usually someone else making a political statement. I'm just not the type to let them go unanswered is all. But I've rarely, if ever, START them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Colmes' show is, at least, largely humor-based. I'm not sure Hannity HAS a sense of humor. In fact, conservatives and humor, in general, seem to be rather at odds with each other. Interesting that the vast majority of comedians seem to be liberals.Colmes has humor?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Colmes has humor?????? Actually, he was a standup comedian prior to his political-commentator career. But yeah, if you've ever heard his radio show, it's pretty funny for the most part. Surprisingly so when compared to the rather droll personality he displayed on that TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Actually, he was a standup comedian prior to his political-commentator career. But yeah, if you've ever heard his radio show, it's pretty funny for the most part. Surprisingly so when compared to the rather droll personality he displayed on that TV show.ahh, I've never seen him outside of Hannity/Colmes or a few other political "commentary" things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Because its been your MO for about the last couple months. I will say again take it to the political forum. You need to be singled out , and take Kmart with you. You will find plenty of people to debate over there. Maybe have someone a little less thick-headed read the thread to you and explain in tiny little words that neither Guido nor I brought the topic you apparently are bristling about up; were just discussing it with the person who did. Let me guess: you're also one of those lip-service Xtians who are all about freedom of belief as long as those beliefs match 100% with yours, and if not, too bad? Yeah, REAL Christ-like behavior there.Peace on Earth and good will to men, as long as they're the same as you. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 Maybe have someone a little less thick-headed read the thread to you and explain in tiny little words that neither Guido nor I brought the topic you apparently are bristling about up; were just discussing it with the person who did. Apparently it's only the political comments from those with a liberal bent that "need to be taken elsewhere" in Tims view. The snide comments from conservatives are perfectly welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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