Members Metallikka7447 Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 So, do you? Or do you just use the ones built into the PA's mixer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members B. Adams Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by Metallikka7447 So, do you? Or do you just use the ones built into the PA's mixer? Gosh no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kevinnem Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 only time I think guys use out board pres are for the REALLY high end stuff like million dolar tours and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Nope, never. Hell, I haven't even used the couple of mic pre's that I designed, for any live application. No noticeable improvement, therefore no need for the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Why would you want to bypass the mic-pre in a Midas XL-4 or Digico D5? www.midasconsoles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Ice Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by agedhorse Hell, I haven't even used the couple of mic pre's that I designed, for any live application. No noticeable improvement My, what a spiffing endorsement of ones own craftsmanship Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Ice My, what a spiffing endorsement of ones own craftsmanship Steve. Nah... the differences between mic pre's is vastly overstated by the various marketing departments. If it is sexy and has high profit margins then it's an easy mark to pimp to the gullible public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ATOMICDOG1 Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 I provide a pa once in a while for a band who's BE always insists on using a Manley tube mic pre on the singer. I can't hear any real difference in the vocal quality, but thats his business. If it makes him more comfortable mixing, more power to him, lol. Personally, I can't justify the risk of taking out a $2500 tube mic pre and using it in a small bar or club. Besides, the band is a small local country band... and she isn't that good of a singer anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators MrKnobs Posted July 1, 2005 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2005 If an outboard pre sounds better than your live mixer, you need to get a better mixer. That way you have 24-48 decent pres, instead of just one. Terry D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by ATOMICDOG1 I provide a pa once in a while for a band who's BE always insists on using a Manley tube mic pre on the singer. I can't hear any real difference in the vocal quality, but thats his business. If it makes him more comfortable mixing, more power to him, lol. Personally, I can't justify the risk of taking out a $2500 tube mic pre and using it in a small bar or club. Besides, the band is a small local country band... and she isn't that good of a singer anyway $2,500 would provide for a lot of vocal lessons for the singer and THAT will result in a noticeable improvement, though not as easy as buying a piece of gear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ATOMICDOG1 Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by agedhorse $2,500 would provide for a lot of vocal lessons for the singer and THAT will result in a noticeable improvement, though not as easy as buying a piece of gear! Especially since the spendy piece of gear in this case provides no real benefit that I can hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bajazz Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by telemike Why would you want to bypass the mic-pre in a Midas XL-4 or Digico D5?Where can I buy a Midas replacement mic-pre for my Behringer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bajazz Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 Originally posted by agedhorse $2,500 would provide for a lot of vocal lessons for the singer and THAT will result in a noticeable improvement, though not as easy as buying a piece of gear! Lately I've gone bananas at this philosophy. It's so bad, I've almost lost all my GAS and I'm starting to feel uncomfortable with this new trend of mine. I've been buying instruction books and DVD's and training software and all kinds of self-improvement stuff and I often practice vocals up to 3-4 hours a day + guitar. I keep arresting myself going "no big deal" when I could see big opportunities in upgrading gear. In fact is just as bad as GAS, and I keep spending a H*llowa lot of money too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 1, 2005 Members Share Posted July 1, 2005 But your playing and technique will REALLY benefit. Definately not as fun though;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted July 2, 2005 Members Share Posted July 2, 2005 http://www.midasconsoles.com/midas03/xl42.htm he Midas XL42 is a 1U rack mounting, dual channel creative equaliser incorporating the XL4 four-band parametric equalisaton with XL4 mic/line pre-amplifiers and 48v phantom supply.Each channel has input, output and pan rotary controls, 10 segment LED metering plus a switchable insert send and return point, plus DIP switches to enable automute scene control from the automute masters of XL consoles.The purpose of this ingenious device is threefold: firstly to improve the audio quality of an inferior console by adding Midas EQ to the selected programme; secondly to create custom mixing consoles through the ability to daisy-chain multiple units. When linked together, the combined outputs will sum, producing discrete L&R channels.Finally, if a production requires, for example, 10 channels more than the input capacity of the master console, five XL42's can be fitted in a standard rack together with any required dynamic processing, which can be inserted via the XL42's insert points, thus creating a custom 10 into 2 mixer via the output daisy chain featureThe resulting L&R outputs may then be routed to the master console via any convenient point i.e. a pair of aux returns, group inputs, matrix inputs etc.As a stand-alone unit, the XL42 is ideally suited to applications requiring a high quality front end, such as stereo recording etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madjack Posted July 2, 2005 Members Share Posted July 2, 2005 Originally posted by telemike http://www.midasconsoles.com/midas03/xl42.htm And to think, all that for a mere $2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Squier Fat Telecaster Posted July 2, 2005 Members Share Posted July 2, 2005 $2k aint bad when a 48 channel XL4 runs $188k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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