Members wjking Posted November 6, 2006 Members Share Posted November 6, 2006 How does the Soundcraft stack up? I know the A&H gets great respect on this board and is the default recommendation for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wjking Posted November 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 6, 2006 Also, anyone have a comment on the PA line of A&H mixers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted November 6, 2006 Members Share Posted November 6, 2006 The Peavey RSM4062 is a very worthy "used" contender if you are looking to save a few bucks. http://www.proaudioreview.com/may01/PEAVEY-RSM-4062-web.shtmlOtherwise, Peavey just came out with a nice 16 channel rackmount model that looks pretty decent. Not sure if it is made in the US like the RSM was, if that matters. I have a Soundcraft M12 and couldn't be happier with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted November 6, 2006 Members Share Posted November 6, 2006 I bought a store demo A&H MixWiz (latest model) for $700. The board was shipped in the original box and looked like it was never connected to anything. I have been very pleased with it's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wjking Posted November 7, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 I know the mixwiz is good, but does anyone have expereience with the Soundcraft. I've seen it a little cheaper on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted November 7, 2006 Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 A buddy of mine has a used FX16 from the 'bay. Pretty good mixer, better than Peavey not as good as A&H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audioeast Posted November 7, 2006 Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 they are a bit different, the A&H has a better eq section, individual phantom, 2 more auxes, better built, sounds better, im a dealer of both but my money goes to the mixwiz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wjking Posted November 7, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 bonehead mentioned the M12. After some research, it seems to be a good unit with 12 mono and 4 stereo channels. How does it fit into this lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted November 7, 2006 Members Share Posted November 7, 2006 Originally posted by wjking bonehead mentioned the M12. After some research, it seems to be a good unit with 12 mono and 4 stereo channels. How does it fit into this lineup? Fewer features. No built-in effects. 100 mm FADERS, Though. Seems to be very well constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audioeast Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 Originally posted by wjking bonehead mentioned the M12. After some research, it seems to be a good unit with 12 mono and 4 stereo channels. How does it fit into this lineup? different animal, i guess we should qualify your needs.......what are you doing with this puppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wjking Posted November 8, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 Sorry, I should've clarified from the beginning. It's in a youth room in church. We currently have a Behringer that is losing channels slowly but steadily. I want something that has a little more room for our band to grow, can handle a few stereo inserts for cd's and video. Built in FX are not necessary, but a bonus. The biggest issue is value. We can't buy the stuff new so I'd like to get the best deal on good equipment. If I can get a soundraft for $300 used vs. A&H for $500 and not be sacrificing a lot, that would be great. I want to buy once and not regret the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 I don't know the answer, but will pose the question. I know the A&H is a modular construction that is fairly convenient to service. I understand some of the Soundcrafts are "everything on one board" construction which can be more costly and difficult to service should there be a need. Not sure if it applies to the Spirit 16. Buying used, this may be a significant distinction. Anyone care to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audioeast Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 Originally posted by wjking Sorry, I should've clarified from the beginning. It's in a youth room in church. We currently have a Behringer that is losing channels slowly but steadily. I want something that has a little more room for our band to grow, can handle a few stereo inserts for cd's and video. Built in FX are not necessary, but a bonus. The biggest issue is value. We can't buy the stuff new so I'd like to get the best deal on good equipment. If I can get a soundraft for $300 used vs. A&H for $500 and not be sacrificing a lot, that would be great. I want to buy once and not regret the decision. for that....... either will be absolutly fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 Well I own E12 s and I love it, it's a basic mixer, there's no built in FX only two FX sends and 2 monitor sends, also has 2 stereo channels which I use one stereo channel as my FX returns ,since there's no dedicated FX return. . Its a great mixer for the price more musical EQ section then the Peavey RQ mixer I had . I agree that the A&H mixer is probably more superior mixer but heck! it's hard to beat the E12 with it's small price tag. BTW I've linked 2 of these together in my home studio hope this helps and good luck on your decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar7171 Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 To make my life easier I got the A&H PA CP powered mixer and replaced the mixwiz and a rack full of gear. A have used for almost 200 gigs over 2 years and have had 0 problems and it sounds great. One of the few pieces of equipment I would be willing to endorse publicly. Along with the EV sx250 speakers. Haven't tried soundcraft but this blows away a Mackie 808 with features and sound. Power amp is better than you would think you would find on a powered board. If you are not gigging alot and $ is an issue get a Soundcraft, Peavy, or Yamaha, which are decent bang for the buck but remember the better you sound the more gigs you get and more money you make so something that will give you quality is an investment. And a good board and speakers, and mics is the foundation of your sound. And of course a great band wouldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members witesol Posted November 8, 2006 Members Share Posted November 8, 2006 some of the Soundcraft power supplies are dedicated, bulky things with wimpy cords. This seems to be in one place so it may not matter. I still have a Spirit mixer as a backup. It sounds good and has been beat to death. The knobs and such are a little plasticy and the power supply is scary. look into the Peavey, they take abuse quite well and have good sound quality. Dare I say it, but the Mackie mixers with the built in EQ work just fine. in a church youth room I'd get something fairly simple and as reliable as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted November 9, 2006 Members Share Posted November 9, 2006 Originally posted by guitar7171 To make my life easier I got the A&H PA CP powered mixer and replaced the mixwiz and a rack full of gear. A have used for almost 200 gigs over 2 years and have had 0 problems and it sounds great. One of the few pieces of equipment I would be willing to endorse publicly. Along with the EV sx250 speakers. Haven't tried soundcraft but this blows away a Mackie 808 with features and sound. Power amp is better than you would think you would find on a powered board. If you are not gigging alot and $ is an issue get a Soundcraft, Peavy, or Yamaha, which are decent bang for the buck but remember the better you sound the more gigs you get and more money you make so something that will give you quality is an investment. And a good board and speakers, and mics is the foundation of your sound. And of course a great band wouldn't hurt. You don't say I know killer blues band running through a {censored}ty ass PA system but their talent is what attracted the crowd coz their freaking awesome so I have to disagree on part of your post sorry to bust your balls on it but some times talent can overwelhm a crowd better then a killer sytem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashivraj Posted November 9, 2006 Members Share Posted November 9, 2006 Originally posted by twostone You don't say I know killer blues band running through a {censored}ty ass PA system but their talent is what attracted the crowd coz their freaking awesome so I have to disagree on part of your post sorry to bust your balls on it but some times talent can overwelhm a crowd better then a killer sytem. Sorry to bust YOUR chops, but I'd like to make sense of that post. Any chance you could use some punctuation there please? AS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GigMan Posted November 10, 2006 Members Share Posted November 10, 2006 Originally posted by ashivraj Sorry to bust YOUR chops, but I'd like to make sense of that post. Any chance you could use some punctuation there please? AS ashivraj - I think what twostone was trying to say is that a killer band CAN overcome a shitty PA... I happen to disagree w/twostone - people don't always notice killer talent but they will definitely notice a bad-sounding PA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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