Members xmlguy Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 I like the idea but I'm thinking that could be a little rough on transistor junctions. There's more than one way to intepret the statement that "it will never sound better." If it never sounds at all, then it won't sound better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonotes Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 I use this when I want a warm "tubey" sound; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dude... somebody already beat you to it:http://cgi.ebay.com/Kester-Audio-Silver-Solder-Sn95-8-Ag3-5-Cu0-7-300B-EL34_W0QQitemZ300294430240BTW: I believe tin, silver, copper solders are possibly capable of achieving electrical conductivity upwards of 2% better than conventional eutectic tin, lead solder. And 3.5Ag, 96.5Sn actually has 3% better electrical conductivity (at 16% that of annealed copper) then the best electircal conductivity tin, silver, copper solder I can find, being 95.5Sn, 3.8Ag, .7Cu, with an electrical conductivity of 13% that of annealed copper. Those are difficult solders to work with, used in lead free RoHS processes. We use them because we have to, not because they are desireable. They are also corrosive on the tooling and machinery. I wouldn't call them superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 Except that we intentionally add resistance in many places to "improve" the sound, so that argument doesn't hold water except to the marketing folks and the guppies out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteinbergerHack Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 Those are difficult solders to work with, used in lead free RoHS processes. We use them because we have to, not because they are desireable. They are also corrosive on the tooling and machinery. I wouldn't call them superior. There's also the issue of "tin whiskers" - lead-free solders have all kinds of problems to deal with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 18, 2009 Members Share Posted February 18, 2009 Speaking of joints . . . . I'll be back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 18, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Well yea, but what kind of a price can you put on truly better audio? Especially when such a reasonably priced but better audio grade solder can make such a profound difference in the sound. Think about it, if every solder joint has possibly 2% better electrical conductivity, and there's 500 solder joints in an amplifier, then the amplier could sound 1000% better with the audio grade solder!!! (I should have been a salesman). Isn't 500 times 2% the same as 500 squared? That's 250,000 times better!!!!!!!! *I* shoulda been a salesman ( I sure ain't no math major ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rick6 Posted February 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Frankly, I can't believe you people. You're the same kind of irresponsible cynics who pooh-pooh the placebo effect -- which is the only effective medical treatment without real side-effects. If the tech convinces himself he's improving the amp and the user convinces himself it sounds better, then it IS better. And the transfer of funds is obviously a sorely needed economic stimulus. Any other view is some sort of elitist techie nonsense. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Frankly, I can't believe you people. You're the same kind of irresponsible cynics who pooh-pooh the placebo effect -- which is the only effective medical treatment without real side-effects. If the tech convinces himself he's improving the amp and the user convinces himself it sounds better, then it IS better. And the transfer of funds is obviously a sorely needed economic stimulus. Any other view is some sort of elitist techie nonsense. Rick No Flux with his logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Right now I have a little bitty short length of like 40 ga. copper wire stuck in my thumb, that I've been trying to pick out under a magnifying glass for 10 minutes... cause it's bugging the hell out of me, and hurts like crazy that happened to me a few days ago except that it was a small shard of glass imbedded in my thumb from coiling up cables in an extreme broken bar glass environment. couldnt see it, sure as hell could feel it and i about tore my hand apart with a pliers trying to get it out before the wife got it out in seconds with a needle. which proves that needles are more powerful than pliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Wives just like to poke husbands with sharp instruments. Maybe it just pay back for us poking them with dull ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 19, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 No Flux with his logic. Would a flux capacitor help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NUSound Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Would a flux capacitor help? Probably, but only if you use solder that is rated for that level of capacitance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 well in that case just use capacitance grade solder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonotes Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 well in that case just use capacitance grade solder. That's just audio grade solder in a more condensed form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 idunno, sometimes i find condensed solder to be somewhat pricey and fragile, so i usually prefer to use dynamic solder for live applications. besides, the phase shift dynamic solder offers at higher freqs makes more a less tinny sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NUSound Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 I agree, the phase shift solder makes it sound... warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well this thread has become molten to the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted February 19, 2009 Members Share Posted February 19, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 20, 2009 Members Share Posted February 20, 2009 yes someone did soldermize it i'd say? after that it kinda flowed all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 20, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Probably, but only if you use solder that is rated for that level of capacitance. It needs to handle 1.21 Gigawatts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NUSound Posted February 20, 2009 Members Share Posted February 20, 2009 But what good is a 1.21GW capacitor without a matching amp? Introducing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 20, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Is the free gift a Mr. Fusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted February 20, 2009 Members Share Posted February 20, 2009 But what good is a 1.21GW capacitor without a matching amp? Introducing: whataya plugadat intonow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted February 20, 2009 Members Share Posted February 20, 2009 A 400 amp three phase service so when it craps out it is immediately reduced to a metal hockey puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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