Members monthlymixcd Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 The human ear craves a little distortion in our audio... but the OP need not bother. IF it were worthwhile to do this (and money could be made selling us crap to do it) you can be sure that you wouldn't even have to ask us because Best Buy et al would have already drummed the product details into your brain. I have tube monoblock amps at home (screw vinyl), but do I expect that warmth from the break music when I go hear a band?!? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 My advice: stop reading GQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 ...and he'll be using iPods!!!More likely a laptop (so he can beat match and fade between tunes and do all those crappy "DJ" noises) and a big arse USB hard drive or two - but the same crappy MP3's so exactly the same sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 My advice: stop reading GQ. Ha. I got the subscription for free, and it works in a pinch if I find I don't have any toilet paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Most of us here date back a bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Say between sets I want to provide music for patrons to dance to. Say my option for playing this music is an iPod. Could I run an iPod jack into the 1/4 input on my Marshall Tube head of my guitar cab, and then run the out into a MixWiz channel in order to "warm" the sound?The only reason I ask is because I was reading an article in GQ magazine about how a return to full wonderful warm sound will come, and iPods and 128kb songs will be frowned upon, so some companies are creating little tube amps to plug your iPod into.... Gawd, that would sound terrible. You know guitar cabinets don't reproduce anything over about 5.5kHz and they have a serious midrange hump - right? Don't believe everything you read in GQ. The guy is clearly full of poop. If people can stand all that auto-tune vocoder crap, they're certainly not going to notice the compression in an MP3. I think I have decent ears and compared to the clicks, hisses, pops and rumbles that accompanied analog playback devices, along with the general inconvenience, I'll take MP3 players any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Gawd, that would sound terrible. You know guitar cabinets don't reproduce anything over about 5.5kHz and they have a serious midrange hump - right? The cab or the head? Cause I'm not talking about playing it out the cab and then micing it into the mix, I'm talking going straight from the head to the mix wiz to the mains. But we've already decided its a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 The cab or the head? Cause I'm not talking about playing it out the cab and then micing it into the mix, I'm talking going straight from the head to the mix wiz to the mains. But we've already decided its a bad idea. How would you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 How would you do that? Instead of the trs cable going from head to cab it would go from head to input on mixwiz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Instead of the trs cable going from head to cab it would go from head to input on mixwiz?First off it's not a TRS cable. Secondly tubes amps blow up if not properly loaded with the right ohm speaker(s). Thirdly the output is high enough to smoke the mixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well, speaker cable with TRS jacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Do not use TRS. Use TS. iPod to guitar amp to guitar cab will sound like ass. MP3s can sound very good if you up the bitrate. iPod playing high bitrate MP3s into a Mixwiz will be fine. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well on the way to a costly lapse of common sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well on the way to a costly lapse of common sense... Lol Aged, I noticed lately you're kinda like Eeyore from Pooh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Did I miss it or am I the only one wondering why one would bother with trying to up the perceived quality of between set music? I've got 3 turntables at home of varying quality levels, still have a great cassette deck and yes, a reel-to-reel, but easily 90% of the music I listen to is coming from an iPod, and easily 90% of the content on it is ripped from CDs... ...and I still wouldn't spend 5 seconds trying to improve the quality of how people hear that through a PA in a club, even if it was my own PA. Now for my own personal listening? That's a different story altogether; I rip at higher bitrates for listening to on my own personal speakers/earbuds/headphones/etc. Seems like it would be a fair amount of effort for little to no benefit... SubsShake- Do you think your average audience listener is going to hear any difference once everything comes through FOH, especially when the audio will be fighting with crowd noise, clinking glasses & bottles, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 Lol Aged, I noticed lately you're kinda like Eeyore from Pooh.Oh, he's just got some weird conscience thing going or somethin'. The rest of us love it when folks blow {censored} up - make sure you post the pics ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted June 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 SubsShake-Do you think your average audience listener is going to hear any difference once everything comes through FOH, especially when the audio will be fighting with crowd noise, clinking glasses & bottles, etc.? No I guess this was just more about learning than anything. I didn't intend to do this, and I don't think I'd try it, BUT... once in a while its fun to ask experts why you shouldn't do something... Like asking a fireman why you shouldn't use vodka to blow fire... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 You know what works even better than a tube amp at smoothing out digital music? Booze. There are many different ways to listen to music. If you're critical listening in your living room, by all means, bust out the vinyl through the hi-fi. But as for listening on the go, Ipods are awesome. Mine has totally changed the way I listen to music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philw44 Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 The only reason I ask is because I was reading an article in GQ magazine about how a return to full wonderful warm sound will come, and iPods and 128kb songs will be frowned upon, so some companies are creating little tube amps to plug your iPod into.... 128Kb MP3's have been frowned upon since forever. I can't tell the difference between 320Kb MP3 and Flac but my collection is all Flac just in case my hearing improves IMO the quality of playback also depends a lot on your system config. I imagine most guys in local bands are running two d- radiating 18" and two 12" tops. Works well for say Reggae, Dancehall or Soul but no so well for music that needs tight fast transient response like Techno or House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 how long till we discuss male to male edison cables powering a 10kw amp bridged into a pv118? that oughta warm things up.another thought.....crappy bitrate recordings will sound better with MORE distortion?:facepalm:another thought.....can you tell the difference between an mp3 and a cd through most PA's in a semi hostile environment?:facepalm:i've been running my ipod into my mixwiz for a few years and not one person has commented on any type of sonic quality.another thought...why is it certain types of people get ideas to kludgeon tech and think they will somehow make it better?:facepalm:kludgeon is a copyrighted word by coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 16, 2010 Members Share Posted June 16, 2010 how long till we discuss male to male edison cables powering a 10kw amp bridged into a pv118? that oughta warm things up.Ooh - I'm in .Reminds me of the guy that cut a pair of two wire household power extension cords in half and wired them between his home stereo amp and speakers. That way he could use pairs of uncut ones to extend his speakers out to the back yard. Anybody want to guess what happened one day ? Them speakers definitely didn't die of being underpowered that day . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted June 17, 2010 Members Share Posted June 17, 2010 um, brief 60hz output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted June 17, 2010 Members Share Posted June 17, 2010 um, brief 60hz output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 17, 2010 Members Share Posted June 17, 2010 Instead of the trs cable going from head to cab it would go from head to input on mixwiz? So it probably has the speaker emulation rolling off all the highs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 17, 2010 Members Share Posted June 17, 2010 First off it's not a TRS cable. Secondly tubes amps blow up if not properly loaded with the right ohm speaker(s). Thirdly the output is high enough to smoke the mixer. I don't know which Marshall he has, but mine has a compensated XLR line out.Speaker out into mixer is definitely going to be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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