Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Hi all, I've looked through the threads but am feeling overwhelmed and would appreciate some assistance. After paying for the pressing of our CD, we are tight on money. So we are cutting back in certain areas but still need to get our cabs & amps. We are an acoustic Americana/Folk some country group with 3 part female harmonies, and will be playing mostly house concerts, and small-med. venues. Quality over loudness factor is important, but we still should have enough power to do the job. We have an ~$800 budget for the cabs. For amps, I was looking at either a Behringer EP4000 (output ~700w) which I know is not the best, but we had to cut corners somewhere and can upgrade later), or the PeavyIPR3000, both within our amp price range ($370-$450). I have to get this done by tonight, so any speedy help would be greatly appreciated. BTW, we are three gals so 80# cabs will make us cranky. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Peavey IPR for sure. As for cabs, what brands do you have easy access to? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Peavey IPR for sure. As for cabs, what brands do you have easy access to? Al Anything that Guitar Center or Zzsounds has available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Anything that Guitar Center or Zzsounds has available. Is weight important? I guess the lighter the better... No kick drum going through the tops right - only vocals / guitars? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Have you considered self-powered speakers? what mixer are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Have you considered self-powered speakers? what mixer are you using? Mixer: A&H Zed 22FX I have one EV ZXA1 that we thought we might get a 2nd on. However, through my experience, I feel safer using amps as I can always swap out a monitor amp if the main fails (ask me how I know this). The idea of having multiple active components makes me twitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Do yourself a HUGE favor and get powered cabs instead. PRX612M's maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Mixer: A&H Zed 22FXI have one EV ZXA1 that we thought we might get a 2nd on. However, through my experience, I feel safer using amps as I can always swap out a monitor amp if the main fails (ask me how I know this). The idea of having multiple active components makes me twitch. I use all active cabs (and have quite a collection) but have never experienced a failure yet, why I ask. An IPR3000 with a set of these would procvide very good sound quality with plenty of punch and volume : http://www.zzounds.com/item--ELVELX115 If you don't need the extended low frequency of a 15, the ELX 112s would be great. Only issue with the Live-X line is the finish on them is a little fragile. Other than that, I've only read good things for the $$$. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Do yourself a HUGE favor and get powered cabs instead. PRX612M's maybe? Sweet, but not in the price range I quoted. They are $799 ea. Also, I'm way too spooked to relay on powered mains. If they go during a gig, we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 As for active, I would highly recommend a set of these : http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMDXR12 Beautiful sound and all the power you'll likely ever need. 3 year warranty too.. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 I use all active cabs (and have quite a collection) but have never experienced a failure yet, why I ask. An IPR3000 with a set of these would procvide very good sound quality with plenty of punch and volume :http://www.zzounds.com/item--ELVELX115 I was looking at the EVs. We all switch instruments, and 2 of the gals play acoustic-electric bass - we were going to have a bass amp and also run it through the foh cabs for balance. Am I understanding then, if we want to do that we should definitely go with the 15s? I also play keys on a couple of songs that would go direct to the cabs. (Guitars & mandos will go direct). If you don't need the extended low frequency of a 15, the ELX 112s would be great. Only issue with the Live-X line is the finish on them is a little fragile. Other than that, I've only read good things for the $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sweet, but not in the price range I quoted. They are $799 ea. Also, I'm way too spooked to relay on powered mains. If they go during a gig, we're screwed.You can get them for less but not if you need them TODAY . For a passive cab the minimum decent cabs are Yamaha Club series. Get the 12's and not the 15's if you want female vocals to shine: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-C112V-12--2-Way-Club-Concert-Series-Speaker-103539748-i1152951.gc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 I use all active cabs (and have quite a collection) but have never experienced a failure yet, why I ask. An IPR3000 with a set of these would procvide very good sound quality with plenty of punch and volume :http://www.zzounds.com/item--ELVELX115 As far as active goes - I have the EV ZXA1 and we thought about buying a 2nd, and then using the amp for our monitors. My thinking was that I hate buying into planned obsolescence. I am also leary of running the bass & keys through 8' speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sweet, but not in the price range I quoted. They are $799 ea. I'll offer to consider any and everything having to do with the product you present to the public to carry at the least equal weight concerning price vs. performance. There are exceptions to the rule, but it's rare... very rare. I suggest taking a unified approach to your business model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 You can get them for less but not if you need them TODAY . For a passive cab the minimum decent cabs are Yamaha Club series. Get the 12's and not the 15's if you want female vocals to shine: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-C112V-12--2-Way-Club-Concert-Series-Speaker-103539748-i1152951.gc Intersting - about 12's not 15's - what about though running the bass & keys direct into 12's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'll offer to consider any and everything having to do with the product you present to the public to carry at the least equal weight concerning price vs. performance. There are exceptions to the rule, but it's rare... very rare. I suggest taking a unified approach to your business model. Understood. However our first gig is in 3 weeks and we have a a finite amount of funds to work with~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Intersting - about 12's not 15's - what about though running the bass & keys direct into 12's?Get a bigger bass amp if needed. Bass players generally don't like the keys to be bassy and walking all over what they are playing. In this price range you're not going to get a cab that both goes below 80Hz and doesn't sound like arse on female vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tat2bluez Posted May 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Get a bigger bass amp if needed. Bass players generally don't like the keys to be bassy and walking all over what they are playing. In this price range you're not going to get a cab that both goes below 80Hz and doesn't sound like arse on female vocals. Good point - thanks for mentioning that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have a pair of Peavey Impulse 1012's that I like but they are $470 new each - they can take twice the power of the Yamaha Club or EV112's which I personally wouldn't power with more than an IPR1600... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Understood. However our first gig is in 3 weeks and we have a a finite amount of funds to work with~I understand. I suggest to use (some portion) of your finite available funds to purchase the services necessary to deliver the intended product... being: solicite the services of a pro for the production work. Buy (do it in-house) after it's "in the budget", both monitarily and expertise wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Guitar Center sure sells a lot of crap Nady, Kustom, Gemini.... BARF. I'm looking through their website right now but those are the first 2 brands to come up.. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Is Guitar Centre the dollar store of pro audio? All I see is crap and more crap. Mackie is like the high end in that place. Wow... Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 QSC K10 or K12 would be a good choice, as would the Yamaha DXR-12. Powerd speakers are really a better approach for your application IME. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopyle Sound Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 So I'm reading that you have a $1250 max budget for tops & an amp. Right now you can buy a new pair of EV SXA250s for that, and I don't think you will find anything more suitable for your purpose at the price. They ARE powered. So if one dies, you still have another speaker playing. Don't even think about using the ZXA1 for mains, it won't handle it. I wouldn't use it full range for a monitor either, best to highpass it. They sound great, but will bottom out easily with any bass content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al Poulin Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have a pair of Peavey Impulse 1012's that I like but they are $470 new each - they can take twice the power of the Yamaha Club or EV112's which I personally wouldn't power with more than an IPR1600... I agree the Impulse cabs sound very good. A little on the pricey side, but they do have good quality components = Black Widow woofers with 4'' voice coil - hence the higher power handling. Very efficient too. Pleasant and hi-fi sounding although my experience is with the 15'' version but I imagine they sound fairly similar. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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